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Finally you agree, there is nothing wrong with the crossing & that all the fault lies with the drivers,
Is this the UK's most dangerous zebra crossing?
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Finally you agree, there is nothing wrong with the crossing & that all the fault lies with the drivers,
DRM
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Can I ask if you’ve ever driven through Bradford? It’s really indescribable how bad the standard of driving is, the Police are pulling their hair out trying to keep on top of things, it’s so bad that it affects people’s insurance premiums who are around 10 miles out in the Leeds City Council area, not stopping at crossroads, junctions, roundabouts and crossings is an everyday occurrence
DRM
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- West Yorks
Well, traveling all over the North Eastern part of Britain, it’s by far the worst place I go to, general standards everywhere are low, but Bradford takes it to a whole new level, you really need eyes in the back of your head, you definitely get the feeling that it’s not if you’re going to be involved in a crash, but when
Alex321
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Alex321
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- South Wales
Please don't tell stupid and very obvious lies.
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So inanimate, unmoving, paint on the road is at fault here then? Okay I'll buy your fantasy, explain how it can be?
mjr
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Yes, my understanding is it's legally carriageway that you can normally ride on, but council planners hate that layout because it results in an ambiguity: in theory cyclists have no priority, unlike pedestrians, unless (since 2016) there's a cycle lane marked next to the zebra stripes, so should treat it as an uncontrolled/unmarked crossing.
In practice, drivers don't have time to see if there's a cycle lane marked and most will give way anyway, but you should be cautious because some drivers won't yield even if there is a marked lane across and priority doesn't stop collisions hurting.
So to summarise:
Are the drivers to blame for mowing down peds and cyclists on that crossing? Yes
Are those cyclists to blame? Yes, they share some blame as they shouldn't be crossing there. At least they wouldn't be expected to be crossing there so they contributed.
Is the road layout contributing to the number of collisions? Possibly
If so could a redesign reduce collisions ? Yes, likely
Therefore should the road layout be investigated? Yes
All of those can be true at the same time.
Are the drivers to blame for mowing down peds and cyclists on that crossing? Yes
Are those cyclists to blame? Yes, they share some blame as they shouldn't be crossing there. At least they wouldn't be expected to be crossing there so they contributed.
Is the road layout contributing to the number of collisions? Possibly
If so could a redesign reduce collisions ? Yes, likely
Therefore should the road layout be investigated? Yes
All of those can be true at the same time.
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classic33
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That being the case, the actual crossing placement is over 30 years old,* but the hit rate has only risen in recent years.
*Replaced one that was further down, on safety grounds.
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So to summarise:
Are the drivers to blame for mowing down peds and cyclists on that crossing? Yes
Are those cyclists to blame? Yes, they share some blame as they shouldn't be crossing there. At least they wouldn't be expected to be crossing there so they contributed.
Is the road layout contributing to the number of collisions? Possibly
If so could a redesign reduce collisions ? Yes, likely
Therefore should the road layout be investigated? Yes
All of those can be true at the same time.
Sorry you're wrong that point, whether they should be there or not is irrelevant, the drivers should be expecting to have to stop.
