Is Cancellara Luigi???

[ColinJ]

Greg, rode in the Hinault era, on a par with him, hmmm.....they must have both been superb clean athletes.

Look at the times on Alpe d'Huez:

• Lemond and Hinault, 1986: 48:00
• Pantani, 1997: 37:35
• Armstrong, 2004: 37:36
• Floyd Landis, 2006: 38:34

There are clearly some dodgy times there, but I don't think that Lemond and Hinault are the riders with them!

 

[Crackle]

Greg, rode in the Hinault era, on a par with him, hmmm.....they must have both been superb clean athletes.

You think Lemond doped, I'd be interested to here why you think that besides your, by association insinuation, especially given his pretty vehment anti-doping stance and his actions against Armstrong which penalised his business interests. I'm not saying he's a saint, I'm quite willing to believe he's not but I need something more than guilt by association.

Personally I still believe he raced clean in an era when it was still possible to win doing so and before the advantages of blood doping where widespread. Of course I could be naive, I like to think I'm not now but who knows.

 

[Hont]

Tom Boonen was just as dominant last year in the cobbled classics-what do you think of his performance?

No different to Cancellara's. His failed Cocaine tests give an indication on his attitude to drugs.

 

[Hont]

I would be gutted if there were revelations about Big Mig, particularly, .

Back to the evidence of our own eyes: do you really think it feasible that someone that big could climb as well as all the skinny, little climbers during the height of the EPO era, whilst riding clean?

 

[Hont]

Look at the times on Alpe d'Huez

That list suggests non-EPO times start at 41 minutes+.

Strong candidates for riding clean...
41' 46" Cadel Evans
43' 12" Ryder Hesjedal
43' 12" Thomas Danielson
Although those last two clearly rode up together so it's unlikely they were both at their limit and, unless there was a headwind they would not have gained much from slipstreaming. Cadel IIRC did not go from the bottom as there were lots of attacking/slowing but was in front from as soon as he realised the situation. So a sub 41 may be possible clean, depending on what's gone on in the stage beforehand.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

No different to Cancellara's. His failed Cocaine tests give an indication where his moral compass on drugs is.

I often agree with you but this is pure bollocks. He may or may not be cheating, but arguing that because he is known to have used recreational drugs, he must lack morality is an absurd kind of puritanism as well as being the most tenuous argument by association.

 

[Hont]

this is pure bollocks

You can, of course, disagree, although I'd prefer it done with less aggression .I recall reading that there is a strong link between recreational drugs and PEDs, which is why I made the point (I've now changed the words to better reflect what I meant). But is it unfair to question the morality of someone who has repeatedly broken the law?

However, when I said "no different to Cancellara's" I meant that his Flanders and Roubaix performances were, to my eyes, unbelievable. The fact that he had 3 times been found to be taking Cocaine reinforced this (my) opinion. It suggests that he is someone who is happy to put narcotics into his body and either has no particular regard to rules/laws or lacks self-control. As with Cancellara, there remains no evidence of PED use.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

But is it unfair to question the morality of someone who has repeatedly broken the law?

Well, again, if you have the attitude that 'breaking the law' (regardless of the actual morality and effectiveness of the law in question) is in itself a problem then no. But I would suggest that law and ethics have little to do with each other. Law is a reflection of social hierarchy - power. The most you can conclude from Boonen's use of cocaine is that he likes a good time and is perhaps not the most intelligent guy in the world. But that's a long stretch from concluding that he is likely to be a cheat.

 

[rich p]

Monsieur Remings said: ↑

I would be gutted if there were revelations about Big Mig, particularly, .​

Back to the evidence of our own eyes: do you really think it feasible that someone that big could climb as well as all the skinny, little climbers during the height of the EPO era, whilst riding clean?

Indurain has been openly accused of being doped and not even bothered defending himself. I assumed everyone accepted that he was well prepared.

 

[BJH]

Cipo, never thought for one minute he that he wasn't using
Big Mig, never thought for one minute that's,be wasn't either
The Badger, surely

GLG never doubted that he was clean, actions words and deeds suggest it. Career robbed by cheats, hence his stance.

For me he was the last clean winner of he TdF up to Cadel.

Boardman, I would put my house on him being clean. I wonder what he wold have won given a level playing field.

Cancellara would be a real shame if he was. Don't quite get he comments about his style on the bike, for me he looks awesome and descends like he's on rails. But solo wins in classics from 50km out are superhuman, so that always leaves a question mark.

 

[rich p]

The "twitterverse" is full of t*ssers who hide behind their user names and make wild accusations based on nothing but the need to start rumours or their own prejudice. Only proven facts matter. Remember the ridiculous thing about a secret motor? More rubbish discussed by people who don't have much of a clue, but a great desire to see their stirrings be "followed". Sad for them, innit?

Greg, rode in the Hinault era, on a par with him, hmmm.....they must have both been superb clean athletes.

Hmmm, did your alter ego post the first one?

 

[jdtate101]

I too would bet on Boardman being clean. He was a TT specialist and not much cop at climbing. He made it clear his aim was the prologue TT's and abandoned / crashed out of most of his TdF tours. He was very open about his medical condition (osteoporosis) that required him to inject testosterone (which he refused to take until his career was finished). If you watch his performances in the prologues he gives everything and then appears for the next day's stage, still looking utterly knackered. Not the way we remember LA looking after his "recovery" techniques.

 

[Noodley]

Indurain doped.

**Noodley has pointed the witch-finder finger**

 

[400bhp]

It's really sad we have to mention particular cyclists and doping in the same breath.

 

[jdtate101]

http://road.cc/content/news/76144-italian-anti-doping-authority-opens-investigation-mario-cipollini

Well looks like things are hotting up for Super Mario.....I think things are going to get a bit uncomfortable for him soon.