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202 front wheel has 18 spokes - 202 rear has 24 spokes. What was your point again?
Is 28 spokes enough for a heavy bugger?
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so i miss counted - still less than 28. your point is???
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Definitely a marketing strategy and a good one I'd say. Many heavy riders with a substantial spare cash would see this as the answer to all their prayers 
Legal document? Safe wheel usage? Well, let's just say the wheel is not going to collapse on you nor would a much cheaper wheel BUT it would not take too much of an impact to damage the wheel. The question is, would Zipp replace your wheel if you say you hit a pothole? No, they would not. Legal? probably the small letters would cover their a*se.
Let's say you are lucky to avoid any such incident, how many miles are you going to do in one year? Heavy guys like you and I tend to fall well short of the mileage than somebody of 80kg can do in a year. Of course there are exceptions but my guess is that there are not many. Further more, how many people ride these expensive wheels in good weather only. The point I'm trying to make here is that the chances are you would not ride the wheels enough to see visible damage to claim under warranty in the first year. (These companies know very well where to draw the line, risk assessment is second nature to them, 250lbs is not a number they just picked out of the hat) and in the event you do more mileage then the company might have no problem to give you a new set under warranty, it's great advertising to have a few people that have a good story to report in forums such as this one.
You are entitle to your opinion but that's all I have to say on the subject.
Legal document? Safe wheel usage? Well, let's just say the wheel is not going to collapse on you nor would a much cheaper wheel BUT it would not take too much of an impact to damage the wheel. The question is, would Zipp replace your wheel if you say you hit a pothole? No, they would not. Legal? probably the small letters would cover their a*se.
Let's say you are lucky to avoid any such incident, how many miles are you going to do in one year? Heavy guys like you and I tend to fall well short of the mileage than somebody of 80kg can do in a year. Of course there are exceptions but my guess is that there are not many. Further more, how many people ride these expensive wheels in good weather only. The point I'm trying to make here is that the chances are you would not ride the wheels enough to see visible damage to claim under warranty in the first year. (These companies know very well where to draw the line, risk assessment is second nature to them, 250lbs is not a number they just picked out of the hat) and in the event you do more mileage then the company might have no problem to give you a new set under warranty, it's great advertising to have a few people that have a good story to report in forums such as this one.
You are entitle to your opinion but that's all I have to say on the subject.
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slowmotion
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I really can't agree with that. I'm about 74 kg and have ridden the bike with a couple of stuffed panniers, maybe 100 kg all up weight. My 24 spoke Fulcrum wheels are absolutely fine. Anyway, I suspect that spoke count is a bit of a red herring. Wheel build quality probably counts for a lot more.
Pale Rider
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned double or triple butted spokes.
My understanding is the give on the thinner bit makes them better able to withstand stresses than heavier gauge straight spokes.
Apologies if the OP's wheel already has them, my knowledge of wheelbuilding is very limited.
My understanding is the give on the thinner bit makes them better able to withstand stresses than heavier gauge straight spokes.
Apologies if the OP's wheel already has them, my knowledge of wheelbuilding is very limited.
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Rohloff_Brompton_Rider
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As far as I know and according to kinesis website they're double butted stainless steel DT Swiss.
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Your understanding on double butted spokes is correct.
I find that I never consider straight gauge spokes as most modern wheels have double butted spokes or some king of bladed spokes. Triple spokes are designed for touring and tandems so durability is the common denominator and perhaps an excellent compromise for the OP if the hubs can take the bigger spoke diameter at the head.
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LOL a huge fat bloke riding on deep rim Zipp ultralight carbon wheels with a low spoke count. Years ago wheels used to routinely have 32 spokes. Better materials, design and wheel building mean the spoke count has decreased substantially but this has been driven by RACING in a quest to reduce WEIGHT and increase STRENGTH where Pro riders weigh typically only 60 - 70kg NOT 160 - 165kg! I still maintain that a pair of hand built wheels on 32H rims or even 36H would be best for the fuller figure heavier rider. Seems pointless buying expensive really light fragile race wheels if you are carrying up to twice your ideal body weight in fat. Bonkers. Get your priorities right! Lose lots of your own weight before buying the really expensive light weight wheels. ATGNI comes to mind.
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Rohloff_Brompton_Rider
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What the fark are you on about?
A. I'm not actually that fat only about 2 stone over my weight due to being quite a big bloke, think rugby player. The weight gain was originally down to taking steroids during a cancer scare...which ended in a mastectomy, but thanks for that comment.
B. The wheels are not carbon, they're alloy and have triple butted spokes so should be stronger than a 32 count double butted wheels.
C. Stop acting a like a know it all douchebag throwing insensitive comments around.
Who weighs 160-165kilos, zipp 202's are not deep rims and they have a max rider weight of 250lbs. So get off your high horse and read dont asume.
Jealous much
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I don't think crankarm was talking about you
I know who he was talking about - so the whistle smiley isnt needed.I don't think crankarm was talking about you
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I was talking to brompton
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