I hope its not true about Frank Schleck

[MichaelM]

As Noodley has said, the system is stacked in the favour of the dopers. Hard evidence of doping (other than an admission) would be a positive test. In this years tour, Rico tested positive (I read somewhere but - can't remember where, that later he stated he should have tested positve on occaisions prior to this), then Piepoli (from what I've read) admits to using the same substance but as far as I know didn't actually test positive.

In other words, the testing system is not 100%. It's quite right to be suspicious af any rider who is somehow involved with Fuentas.

 

[rich p]

I'm continually amazed that people think us doubting Thomas's have some influence in the wide world of cycling. We don't, we just like discussing the issues and chewing over the possibilities. Calm down, now. You can keep your morals intact by ignoring our chatter. No harm done!

 

[shooter560]

Shooter – so you need to spike yourself with adrenalin in case of an allergic reaction. Fine, if that was the case then it will be on your medical records. Easily explained and dealt with. It’s interesting though that your fellow competitors cried foul the moment they saw it. If only cyclists were that willing to question each other.
But in this case, does Dr Fuentes specialise in allergy treatment? No, I don’t believe he does…

That is exactly my point Chuffy, if you take the time to check then its easy to see that I had a valid reason, however in this thread some are saying guilty by association.

OK so Dr Fuentes has a poor record, however I would bet that he has other sides to his work which are legal, anyone here bothered to find out?? I bet the answer is NO, in fact as you said you don't believe/know if he specialises in allergy treatment, but he could well do. Also he needs to make a living and I'm sure doping cyclists although well paid does not support him in life, he must have other income, being a doctor means that he has several avenues he can follow all at the same time. So he could have treated FS either for doping reasons or maybe valid/legal reasons but until the evidence is produced and blame/guilt is laid fair and square at peoples feet, I'm willing to live under the cover of Innocent till proven guilty.

If Frank is proven to be dirty then I hope he gets banned for life, however till proof I want to see him race without a cloud over his head. Dope testing is very good and quicker than many think, plimenary results are available within 48 hours and these are 91% accurate, I know I've been tested over 200 times in 17 years of international competition, in and out of competition and training including many home visits where I was given less than 24 hours notice, and not just when I was in the UK

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Dope testing is very good and quicker than many think, plimenary results are available within 48 hours and these are 91% accurate

Which tests? How was the accuracy measured? What do the tests actually measure and how likely is this to catch people who are doping? Not everything is tested for, the tests vary in what they are actually attempting to detect (actual substances, breakdown products, indirect effects etc.) and the levels of tolerance they will allow, the margins of error they provide etc. In addition once riders know the details of tests measures can (and are) taken to mask or flush out the substances or states being tested for - and unless you have a test for those masking agents your initial dope test is meaningless. The only reason why Ricco was caught this summer was because ASO were using a test that they had not widely publicised so some teams and riders did not have time to get hold of counter-measures. Ricco actually had the nerve to complain about this at the time! He also stated that he had used the substance on several other days but was only caught on one.

 

[Noodley]

OK so Dr Fuentes has a poor record, however I would bet that he has other sides to his work which are legal, anyone here bothered to find out?? I bet the answer is NO...

A poor record!!?? Understatement of the year.

And you'd be wrong to bet I don't know anything about Fuentes.

 

[Chuffy]

Ok Shooter, perhaps you can explain why a cyclist would feel the need to go to Dr Fuentes for legal treatment. Does he not have a team doctor? Is Fuentes a specialist in some obscure area of medicine? I'm sorry, but following Puerto , association with Fuentes is damn good grounds for suspicion. Please note that no-one here is building a pyre and rounding up the mob for Schleck. We're just deeply distrustful and with damn good reason, you only have to look at the history of doping within cycling. I think we're entitled to look askance at Schleck until he provides some very convincing evidence that his association was clean.

Oi, Noodley, what do you know? C'mon, spill or I'll give you a Chinese burn that'll make your eyes water.

 

[Noodley]

Oi, Noodley, what do you know? C'mon, spill or I'll give you a Chinese burn that'll make your eyes water.

I know there was a report in Belgian media which mentions the teams that 'may' have riders whose samples are being re-tested.

And since you lot are obviously crap at guessing the teams/riders named are:
AG2R: Valjavec plus one other rider
Saunier Duval: Ricco, Piepoli, Cobo
CSC: 5 riders
Columbia: 2 riders
Gerolsteiner: 2 riders

The power of the threat of a chinese burn...

 

[Chuffy]

I know there was a report in Belgian media which mentions the teams that 'may' have riders whose samples are being re-tested.

And since you lot are obviously crap at guessing the teams/riders named are:
AG2R: Valjavec plus one other rider
Saunier Duval: Ricco, Piepoli, Cobo
CSC: 5 riders
Columbia: 2 riders
Gerolsteiner: 2 riders

The power of the threat of a chinese burn...

Bloody hellfire! Has anyone told Mr Damsgard?

But you intimated that you knew about Fuentes. That Chinese burn is still pending and I've got birillo pads strapped to my palms....

 

[Noodley]

But you intimated that you knew about Fuentes.

Well I know he's a gynaecologist. <bad taste> so he's used to working with fannies <bad taste> Seriously he is a gynaecologist.

 

[MichaelM]

CSC: 5 riders

A useless piece of info.

I read somewhere that Riis has never had a rider in his team test positive - that includes Basso.

 

[Noodley]

I read somewhere that Riis has never had a rider in his team test positive - that includes Basso.

There's a first time for everything

Remember this test is testing for the previously untestable

 

[Chuffy]

There's a first time for everything

Remember this test is testing for the previously untestable

Extra nipples, familiars, broomsticks etc...

 

[Noodley]

Frankie boy has been suspended by his team:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/oct08/oct03news2

 

[Chuffy]

Frankie boy has been suspended by his team:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/oct08/oct03news2

Hmmm. First reaction is good. His team are being strict, his association want to deal with this quickly and that he's been quick to offer a DNA sample.

Second reaction is not so good. What exactly does "Schleck further said that he "has never received, nor made use of any services from these people – including Eufemiano Fuentes, whom he has never met," and that he was not aware of the link between his contact and Fuentes." mean? Looks like he is saying that he was paying a third party without being fully aware of who was at the end of the process. Just what was he paying for?That bit smells rather...

Or am I just being an nasty old witchhunter?

 

[Noodley]

Just what was he paying for?

C'mon Chuffy keep up man, it's obvious:

He rides for CSC, a pro cycling team well known for their training programmes, innovation and testing new technology.

He therefore needs to pay a third party 7000 Euros to give to someone else he has never met nor appears to know anything about so he can get a training programme.

Sheesh, it's so obvious. What are you like?

So like his pal, Basso, he was preparing to dope train.