I hope its not true about Frank Schleck

[mondobongo]

The Italian police raided the Luxemborg hotel in Varese but didn't find anything apparently.

Strange that the Police never knocked on the door of the Norwegian Team who were staying in the same hotel.

 

[Chuffy]

Strange that the Police never knocked on the door of the Norwegian Team who were staying in the same hotel.

Maybe the Norwegian team doesn't contain any witches...

 

[Noodley]

The Italian police raided the Luxemborg hotel in Varese but didn't find anything apparently.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/sep08/sep28news3

I have read that a hypobaric chamber/tent was found during the search, not a method which breaches UCI doping rules, but illegal in Italy. Such a pity they were in Italy then...

Seems like it was being used by Beniôt Joachim rather than Schleck. Allegedly.

 

[ufkacbln]

FYI, Cunobelin, we're not the real judge and jury and our discussion on here is the equivalent of a few blokes down the pub mulling it over. We can say what we like to each other, just as you can, and if we choose to think it all smells a bit fishy then we are at liberty to say so. It matters not one jot to the UCI, ASO or Frank effing Schleck himself what me and Chuffy think, so please don't tell us again not to have an opinion.

You are quite entitled to an opinion...... at least I am polite enough to raise points, rather than just some your opinion as "Bollocks"..... Or is that the epitome of reasoned and coherent debate here?

I simply feel that we should be clamping down through a substantive, verifiable trail of evidence and proof. Then deal with the issues and individuals.

That is being a realist not an apologist!

 

[Noodley]

I simply feel that we should be clamping down through a substantive, verifiable trail of evidence and proof. Then deal with the issues and individuals.

We? Since when have 'we' been in a position to clamp down on anything. Perhaps you mean "the authorities". In which case I agree.

We can carry on speaking as much bollocks as we want.

 

[ufkacbln]

WE - as in the Royal "WE"

As fans and supporters "we" have a stake in the sport - and it will always be the grass roots support that will determine the success or failure.

 

[Noodley]

WE - as in the Royal "WE"

As fans and supporters "we" have a stake in the sport - and it will always be the grass roots support that will determine the success or failure.

So how do "we" clamp down through a substantive, verifiable trail of evidence and proof?

We cannot. We can discuss our opinions and views. That's all. We can form an opinion.

 

[yenrod]

Strange that the Police never knocked on the door of the Norwegian Team who were staying in the same hotel.

Talk about bloody rediculous - i'm surprused they never invited the cameras and media like most Italian raids...so those who get nabbed can look nice and coifured etc...

Bloody rediculous.

 

[mondobongo]

I have read that a hypobaric chamber/tent was found during the search, not a method which breaches UCI doping rules, but illegal in Italy. Such a pity they were in Italy then...

Seems like it was being used by Beniôt Joachim rather than Schleck. Allegedly.

Yep Astana rider Joachim had declared using the tent on his doping control.

Raid lasted 8 hours apparently, seems a long time to look for a tent with 20 coppers. Looks like they took the view of what else can we find.

 

[Chuffy]

Yep Astana rider Joachim had declared using the tent on his doping control.

Raid lasted 8 hours apparently, seems a long time to look for a tent with 20 coppers. Looks like they took the view of what else can we find.

Was it useful or just a rather heavy handed way of looking like firm action is being taken? Surely, since the 2001 raids on the Giro, no sane rider would dare have naughty stuff in his hotel?

 

[girofan]

Anyone fancy signing this petition. Noodley? Girofan? I'm sure you'd support a proposal that gives you a clean slate so long as you can evade les flics for a year.

I'd prefer to strip all transgressors of drug legislation over the last forty years of their palmares and give those still alive five years with no parole for their self-serving lies.

 

[girofan]

Further to the above having read about 'proof' of doping, and having seen the post about witches. Burning seems a better idea than prison.
THE ULTIMATE DETERRENT.

 

[Noodley]

Witch-hunt-o-rama-tastic:

14 samples taken at the Tour are being re-tested. Can anyone guess the teams involved? GO on, you know you want to...all gossip, but what the hell.

(edit)
Okay, here's an obvious starter:
Saunier Duval

 

[shooter560]

OK here is a good one for you, I'm a cyclist and now starting to race, OK I'll never ever be pro league, however in a race changing rooms you find me slumped over with a needle in my leg, am I a cheat/drug user??
























By the way this thread is going yes, I'm guilty because I have something in common with others that have been proven to cheat. As such you report me to the governing body, I am banned without having the chance to say a word. YOU ARE HAPPY

















OK now step backwards, now you ask why I have a needle in my arm, rather than just tar me with the brush you so like to wave around. It is then that I explain that I suffer from an allergic reaction to wasp stings, and had to self administer an adrenalin shot to stop myself from going into anaphylaxis shock and possibly dying. So now am I the cheat that you wanted to call me?











Oh and this did happen to me, not in cycling but archery, at the World Champs in 91, I was initially called a cheat by competitors until they heard the truth and FACTS from the IOC etc, how stupid did they look and feel.

No matter what you think you know, wait till the full facts come out as its very easy to think the worst and pretend that everything is as simple as black and white.



Back to Frank Schleck, personally I believe everyone is innocent till proven guilty, rather than the Cycle Chat boys network of Shoot now ask questions later brigade.

 

[Chuffy]

Shooter – so you need to spike yourself with adrenalin in case of an allergic reaction. Fine, if that was the case then it will be on your medical records. Easily explained and dealt with. It’s interesting though that your fellow competitors cried foul the moment they saw it. If only cyclists were that willing to question each other.
But in this case, does Dr Fuentes specialise in allergy treatment? No, I don’t believe he does…