Noodley
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Maybe ask this bloke who is maintaining his innocence:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mansilla-tests-positive-for-epo
how 'clean' is pro cycling
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Maybe ask this bloke who is maintaining his innocence:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mansilla-tests-positive-for-epo
Speedywheelsjeans
Active Member
There will always be some people after that edge I guess.
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In the uk the highest point of land is 1344Ms above see level. That small bit of land is hardly big enough for a good bike ride, and its usually covered in ice or snow, and its usually very foggy, and its usually very windy. Most of all tho, there is no noticable difference in air quality between see level and 1344Ms. Its far better to work your balls off by varying your altitude as much as possible in a single ride.
dragon72
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I live at 2,500m and there is a heck of a difference.
I cycle 2.5km to work every day, uphill, 10% gradient most of the way. I've been doing it for a few months now and I'm still sucking in air like I'm dying at the top of the climb. I'd breathe heavily if that was at sea level, but not THAT heavily.
I even get out of puff just going up a flight of stairs here, and I consider myself fit!
I cycle 2.5km to work every day, uphill, 10% gradient most of the way. I've been doing it for a few months now and I'm still sucking in air like I'm dying at the top of the climb. I'd breathe heavily if that was at sea level, but not THAT heavily.
I even get out of puff just going up a flight of stairs here, and I consider myself fit!
Noodley
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WADA indicating that cycling might be heading in the right direction?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-chief-praises-cycling-for-blood-testing
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-chief-praises-cycling-for-blood-testing
Keith Oates
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It's good to see WADA giving the UCI some credit for a change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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david k
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i know what they say is banned is therefore banned, i question how they arrive at he line
Noodley
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Just spotted this link on yacf, mostly relating to how the blood passport system works and how EPO is used as a masking agent - and Dirty Bertie:
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2012/behind-scenes-contador-cas-hearing-michael-ashenden
Ashenden's view on Lausanne’s Athlete Passport Management Unit (APMU):
"...I find it unconscionable that an antidoping entity would seek to impose an omerta on us experts. Particularly where cycling is concerned, because we have struggled for years to break the rider’s omerta, and asked riders to speak out about their peers who are cheating the system. Yet Lausanne takes that omerta one step further and prevents its experts from speaking out not just via an unspoken code but also reinforced with a legal contract."
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2012/behind-scenes-contador-cas-hearing-michael-ashenden
Ashenden's view on Lausanne’s Athlete Passport Management Unit (APMU):
"...I find it unconscionable that an antidoping entity would seek to impose an omerta on us experts. Particularly where cycling is concerned, because we have struggled for years to break the rider’s omerta, and asked riders to speak out about their peers who are cheating the system. Yet Lausanne takes that omerta one step further and prevents its experts from speaking out not just via an unspoken code but also reinforced with a legal contract."
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david k
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any chance of a summary? i got confused lol!!!!!!!!!!!!
A study performed at a top sports university in the US some years ago was guaranteed to be anonymous and it unearthed an interesting fact. The sportspeople were asked a simple question; if you knew of a drug that was completely undetectable and would make you win the ultimate prize in your sport (Olympic Gold Medal/MVP/World Record/World Cup Winner's medal etc) but it would be absolutely certain you would be dead within five years, would you take it?
More than 75% said yes!
This was a university composed of extremely motivated students who were there to take themselves to the peak of their sport so it's perhaps not so shocking to know how far they were prepared to go to get themselves to the pinnacle of their particular sport.
More than 75% said yes!
This was a university composed of extremely motivated students who were there to take themselves to the peak of their sport so it's perhaps not so shocking to know how far they were prepared to go to get themselves to the pinnacle of their particular sport.
ColinJ
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I've quoted that study in the past. It shocked me when I first read about it. Not only that people are so obsessed with 'winning' that they are willing to die to achieve it, but also the fact that 3 out of 4 of them don't believe in those apparently old-fashioned concepts of honesty and sportsmanship! BTW - by my definition, you can't win if you cheat, even if everybody else is cheating, because winning is the feeling that you get when you know that you have beaten everyone fair and square, not having been the sneakiest!
I was highly motivated to get my degree and I worked very hard to achieve it, but I wouldn't have bribed somebody for a copy of my final year exam papers even if I thought I could have got away with it!
I read about this study when I was at the peak of my running abilities. Like most of my team-mates and competitors, once I'd gone pretty much as far as I could and wasn't bringing times down even slightly, I used to wonder what I could do to obtain some sort of improvement. One thing a real rival of mine did caused him some grief from club-mates but it clearly had some effect. It sounds daft now as it involved a long-chain polymer, perfectly legal, but only obtained from Leppin, a company in a country we were boycotting, South Africa. It was a moral dilemma but he had shown a real improvement so I put those reservations aside and got some myself. Then came Creatine. There was such abhorrence over this amongst our purists that it was condemned but you have to be pragmatic and if things like adequate nutrition and diet are fully accepted why shouldn't Creatine be too? After that though, it was like the floodgates had opened and once we'd bought Leppin and Creatine, we were forever being offered more and more questionable and some outright illegal products.
I can state without fear of contradiction that I never knowingly took any banned substance and though I was only tested four times, I was always clear. Some of my rivals though were not always clear! One guy showed a massive improvement in his performances and was always under suspicion and with good reason. He was targeted by the testers and found to have an abnormal level of EPO in his system. It wasn't actually on the banned list at that time but it was pointed out to him there had been a spike in the number of deaths of young cyclists in Holland and Belgium and EPO was strongly suspected. A few weeks later though, he was caught with an abnormal level of testosterone and when he was caught a second time, he was persona non grata and no-one will speak to him now. He moved to Hartlepool to get away from us and surely there can be no greater punishment that that?
oldroadman
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What is shocking is the level of competitors who will do something illegal to boost "performance". It's one thing - and totally wrong - at top level, but when you see what could be termed club level (not even national) people in sport thinking about using substances that are clearly illegal and may even harm their future health, that's just plain crazy. I'm aware of a case where the person concerned was simply obsessive, and at a level of obsession that was bordering on clinical mental illness.
That's a pretty impressive interview. Confirms what we all suspected.
