How can wearing a helmet offer no protection from injury?

[david k]

But what if the cure harms the prevention?

well it shouldnt and if it did it is no reason to stop the cure but to improve the prevention

 

[david k]

He made a statement of 'fact', I simply asked where is the proof to back up this statement.

you dont need proof to wear a helmet, now that is a fact

 

[Angelfishsolo]

well it shouldnt and if it did it is no reason to stop the cure but to improve the prevention

That has confused the hell out of me!

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

you dont need proof to wear a helmet, now that is a fact

Sorry dude, but I think this thread has left you behind, I don't think you are following and have started hitting out.

 

[ufkacbln]

you dont need proof to wear a helmet, now that is a fact

Now I realise that suggesting informed choice is totally anti-helmet, ripping the helmets off the heads of passing children and an expression of a deep seated hatred of anyone who wears helmets


But surely the rational position is that you need is the full information about a subject - the pros and cons, capabilities and limitations.

If someone wishes to blindly wear a helmet then of course that is their right, but it must be better to make an informed decision based on correct information?

 

[david k]

but what if the cure harms the prevention, redlight asked

Well it shouldnt, however summising for one moment that it does, ie wearing a helmet harms prevention of accidents, that is no reason to stop curing the problem but to improve prevention. Stopping the cure is not a reasonable suggestion

 

[david k]

Sorry dude, but I think this thread has left you behind, I don't think you are following and have started hitting out.

It would appear that you dont like the facts being pointed out and feel you are a victim because you cannot convince me with your views. I dont care if you think wearing a helmet is of benefit or not, you believe what you want to believe, i wish to wear a helmet and think it is of benefit, i do not need facts and research to make what i and many others feel is a rational judgement. If you dont like my views then fine, however i suggest you dont try to be a victim and post something worthwhile or step aside if people holding their own view upsets you

 

[Red Light]

well it shouldnt and if it did it is no reason to stop the cure but to improve the prevention

So you'd stick to the cure even if it meant more people being injured or killed. Good job they didn't take that attitude with the many drugs that never made market or were withdrawn like Avantia for causing more harm than good. Let people keep taking them until a better drug can be developed eh? What does it matter if a few of them die in the meanwhile?

 

[david k]

So you'd stick to the cure even if it meant more people being injured or killed. Good job they didn't take that attitude with the many drugs that never made market or were withdrawn like Avantia for causing more harm than good. Let people keep taking them until a better drug can be developed eh? What does it matter if a few of them die in the meanwhile?

odd reply? i suggested prevention should be improved, why dont you agree? surely its rational to improve prevention, ie cycling training whilst maintaining and improving the cure, ie cycle helmets

if you think cycle helmets are not a cure then fine, this is your choice, but your original question was about prevention

 

[Angelfishsolo]

So you'd stick to the cure even if it meant more people being injured or killed. Good job they didn't take that attitude with the many drugs that never made market or were withdrawn like Avantia for causing more harm than good. Let people keep taking them until a better drug can be developed eh? What does it matter if a few of them die in the meanwhile?

Aegrescit medendo.

 

[ufkacbln]

Prevention would mean better standards of driving and cycling, better cycle maintenance, awareness, respect for other road users etc.

As before helmets and their compulsion is actually having an adverse efect on the uptake of cycle training and the proven benefits in search of the Holy Grail of helmet usage. Yet again the reverse of any other safety assessment where he training and prevention would be given greater priority than protective equipment

I am however really uncomfortable with helmets as a "cure" for head injuries as it is an interesting concept.....it should by definition "restore to health"

I have seen many outlandish claims for helmet performance, but claiming they restore people to health is worthy of Headway and the BHIT!

Helmets may help in some cases to alleviate the injuies, but may also in some cases cause or exacerbate (see above - only 4% are worn correctly) injury. They are neither a prevention or cure

 

[david k]

i think that means the cure makes the illness worse, which differs to the point redlight made which was if the cure had a detrimental affect on the prevention, only a small point i know but slightly different

if redlight meant the cure making the illness worse, ie wearing a helmet increases head injuries then id prefer he made that clear

 

[domtyler]

I hit a patch of diesel once and went down like the proverbial sack of spuds, I kind of wish I had been wearing a helmet that day! :-)

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

It would appear that you dont like the facts being pointed out and feel you are a victim because you cannot convince me with your views. I dont care if you think wearing a helmet is of benefit or not, you believe what you want to believe, i wish to wear a helmet and think it is of benefit, i do not need facts and research to make what i and many others feel is a rational judgement. If you dont like my views then fine, however i suggest you dont try to be a victim and post something worthwhile or step aside if people holding their own view upsets you

eh? what the hell are you on about?

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

i think that means the cure makes the illness worse, which differs to the point redlight made which was if the cure had a detrimental affect on the prevention, only a small point i know but slightly different

if redlight meant the cure making the illness worse, ie wearing a helmet increases head injuries then id prefer he made that clear

is this fella on a different planet to the rest of us?