How can wearing a helmet offer no protection from injury?

[david k]

is this fella on a different planet to the rest of us?

of course this type reply is a lot easier than trying to discuss the subject/post

 

[Kleban]

There are two camps; those for, and others against, the wearing of a cycle helmet. Neither, it seems, will convince the other.
Maybe we should agree to disagree.

 

[david k]

amen to that kleban, however as those who feel wearing helmets are of benefit are not having their view accepted without factual evidence to support it there will be no end to these threads anytime soon

 

[Angelfishsolo]

i think that means the cure makes the illness worse,

If this is re my Latin phrase then you are wrong. It means the cure is worse than the disease.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

If only I didn't have such a top quality Sig line already.

We don't need no education.....

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

It would appear that you dont like the facts being pointed out and feel you are a victim because you cannot convince me with your views. I dont care if you think wearing a helmet is of benefit or not, you believe what you want to believe, i wish to wear a helmet and think it is of benefit, i do not need facts and research to make what i and many others feel is a rational judgement. If you dont like my views then fine, however i suggest you dont try to be a victim and post something worthwhile or step aside if people holding their own view upsets you

" I do not need facts and research to make what i and many others feel is a rational judgement." That much has been obvious for a very long time!

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

" I do not need facts and research to make what i and many others feel is a rational judgement." That much has been obvious for a very long time!

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

There are two camps; those for, and others against, the wearing of a cycle helmet. Neither, it seems, will convince the other.
Maybe we should agree to disagree.

No it's a lot more complicated than that, there are at least

Those that "believe" in helmets and that everyone should wear one and tell them so.

Those that "believe" in helmets and that everyone should wear one.

Those that "believe" in helmets and they wear one but let others make up their mind
Those that are for wearing helmets, if they work.
Those that are for some people ( kids) wearing helmets
Those that are for wearing helmets, some of the time
tThose that don't like wearing helmets
Those that are fo for the freedon to wear or not wear helmets

Those that are against wearing helmets


The latter is a tiny, tiny proportion of cyclists. The first is a large number, often not cyclsits. The middle lump are often called "idiots" or worse by the first .
Apart from the first group, none of the others ever start helmet threads

 

[david k]

If this is re my Latin phrase then you are wrong. It means the cure is worse than the disease.

your latin is better than mine

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

amen to that kleban, however as those who feel wearing helmets are of benefit are not having their view accepted without factual evidence to support it there will be no end to these threads anytime soon

You could end them by, providing the evidence! Equally, you could stop the threads by, not starting them without evidence.

 

[ufkacbln]

There are two camps; those for, and others against, the wearing of a cycle helmet. Neither, it seems, will convince the other.
Maybe we should agree to disagree.

There are three camps!

Add... those who don't really care what you do so long as the decision is based on a sensible assessment of the risks, benefits, performance, capabilities and limitations.

The unrealistic and unreasonable claims made for helmets need to be challenged and corrected. That is not anti-helmet

 

[david k]

You could end them by, providing the evidence! Equally, you could stop the threads by, not starting them without evidence.

why do i need evidence? i dont look for evidence before putting my seat belt on. if you need evidence to make a decision then thats up to you. if you need it or want it go find it yourself

 

[david k]

Which is all fine, right up to the point when one group starts trying to tell the other what they should do.

and if they dont suggest they do anyway as in your case

 

[ufkacbln]

why do i need evidence? i dont look for evidence before putting my seat belt on. if you need evidence to make a decision then thats up to you. if you need it or want it go find it yourself

Unless the decision is based on unrealistic expectations and claims.

Look at some of the claims made in these threads of what helmets are supposedly capable of ad it becomes glaringly obvious why they need to be challegned and evidence is the best way to disprove these unsubstantiated and misleading claims

There are still girls in Portsmouth who believe that you can't get pregnant standing up, the first time you have sex or if the guy withdraws....... but why disillusion them with evidence?

 

[Red Light]

odd reply? i suggested prevention should be improved, why dont you agree? surely its rational to improve prevention, ie cycling training whilst maintaining and improving the cure, ie cycle helmets

if you think cycle helmets are not a cure then fine, this is your choice, but your original question was about prevention

But unless you have an instant overnight cure to the problems, what are you going to do in the meantime? Soldier on with the cure at all costs while you develop the improved prevention and work out whether it works or not or suspend the cure until you have engineered prevention to be unaffected by it?


Some of the things you will need to do to improve the prevention so it isn't harmed by the cure:

• Prevent motorists from making more close passes of helmeted cyclists than unhelmeted ones
• Remove the natural human trait of risk compensation in both cyclists and motorists
• Make helmets that do not increase the size of the human head thereby making it a larger target for an impact

Some of those are tall orders and I would be interested in how you would intend to deal with them.