I've never met a dog owner that claimed otherwise!Me too!
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I never met a cyclist that didn't jump red lights.I've never met a dog owner that claimed otherwise!
Yes, you countered a fact, with a false claim.I never met a cyclist that didn't jump red lights.
Do you see what I did there?
Yes I have, some people just don't care. Just like some cyclists just don't care.Yes, you countered a fact, with a false claim.
Have you ever met a dog owner who hasn't claimed to clean up?
On the other hand, I'm sure you have met cyclists who have not jumped red lights, true?
Yes I have, some people just don't care. Just like some cyclists just don't care.
Wgats the difference between your attitude to dog owners and that of the cyclist haters?
I think you'll find responsible dog owners are very much in agreement. Don't lump us all together, you just come across as a Keith Peat like anti dog ranter.I do, but dog owners don't like it.
You must meet a different class of dog owner to me, everyone I have had occasion to speak to claims to clean up after their dog. As to your question. Irresponsible cyclists feed cyclist haters , but the cyclists have little effect on those around them, apart from irritation. Irresponsbile dog owners {Snip} blah blah blah {Unsnip}
But hey, if you want just lump me in as a "dog hater" .
How do you manage to type whilst sticking your fingers in your ears and going LAHLAHLAH NOT LISTENING? There was no rant, (look my finger tips don't hurt), just an overlong , waste of time , explaining my position. Ho Hum.Your little rant rather proves my point I think![]()
I think Keith Peat is trying to ignore laws, I'm suggesting that dog owners might want to... Arrgh stuff it , just pretend I hate dogs, it's easier .I think you'll find responsible dog owners are very much in agreement. Don't lump us all together, you just come across as a Keith Peat like anti dog ranter.
There's several threads on here which give the lie to you blinkered bigotry
You must meet a different class of dog owner to me, everyone I have had occasion to speak to claims to clean up after their dog. As to your question. Irresponsible cyclists feed cyclist haters , but the cyclists have little effect on those around them, apart from irritation. Irresponsbile dog owners ( and we have seen more than one in this thread, with their excuses) do have an effect. I dislike irresponsible dog owners because they do do harm, they damage the environment that we all need to share. The park that can't be used by families for a picnic because of those that can't be bothered to keep them on a lead, the sports playing field littered with dog turds, the shared paths that can't be shared that easily -dogs running,free or on stretchy leads- the bridleways that horse riders can't use because of the dog that barks whilst lunging through the gate, the OAP forced to walk in the road because of the yapping snapping terrier tied up outside the shop. The cyclist haters rely on myths and stereotypes, I can go for a ride tomorrow and see all of the behaviour above. It's too easy to buy a dog, to pretend to train it, to abuse it by trying to squeeze the exericise it needs into the 30 minutes the owner has spare. I see owners do the last every day. They haven't time for a long walk ( or are too lazy), so go to the local park to " Let the dog have a run" for 10 minutes. I like dogs, I've owned them ,( one came from the RSPCA and hated uniforms , hated them so much that he bit the RSPCA inspector every year when he came to check on "Jason") trained them, cried over them ( Especially when carrying her upstairs after she had her hip broken, which caused her to limp whenever she got it wet , a major problem for a working retreiver, If I hated dogs as mch as everyone here thinks maybe I should have had Bess put down then rather than 10 years later) and had to shoot one ( and cried over that , later when no-one , especially the stupid, stupid, owner was around) , I dislike the, new, urban, dog owner that thinks that they can steal public space to make up for the lack of time they have to really look after their dog. Anyone who thinks that a park is a good place to let a dog run around is one of those, anyone who thinks that having the dog run along with them whislt they cycle, because they haven't the time to take them for a proper walk, the ones that can't be bothered to train a dog to stop, dead, there, with one word or command, who buy extendible leads because they are too idle to train the dog to walk to heel, the ones who let theit dog sit on the train seat ( Hah hah I just can't stop him , get down Lucky, see, he just does what he wants , mad ininnit?) . Those I dislike, the vast majority of the owners that I see.
But hey, if you want just lump me in as a "dog hater" .
Sorry, typing one handed, whilst watching TV and listening to Billy Bragg.Lyb, i could read that better, if you pressed return every so often, or put a comma... i read the first few lines but then give up as it was sooo difficult to follow.
I have a romantic notion of being able to cycle with my Jack Russell in a basket like that or trotting along obediently beside me, but having tried running with him I know it's not going to happen.
He either doesn't keep up, or goes in the wrong direction or tries to trip me up.
I do know plenty of people who cycle to take their dogs out for exercise, but I have yet to see one of them stop and scoop the poop!
You must meet a different class of dog owner to me, everyone I have had occasion to speak to claims to clean up after their dog. As to your question. Irresponsible cyclists feed cyclist haters , but the cyclists have little effect on those around them, apart from irritation. Irresponsbile dog owners ( and we have seen more than one in this thread, with their excuses) do have an effect. I dislike irresponsible dog owners because they do do harm, they damage the environment that we all need to share. The park that can't be used by families for a picnic because of those that can't be bothered to keep them on a lead, the sports playing field littered with dog turds, the shared paths that can't be shared that easily -dogs running,free or on stretchy leads- the bridleways that horse riders can't use because of the dog that barks whilst lunging through the gate, the OAP forced to walk in the road because of the yapping snapping terrier tied up outside the shop. The cyclist haters rely on myths and stereotypes, I can go for a ride tomorrow and see all of the behaviour above. It's too easy to buy a dog, to pretend to train it, to abuse it by trying to squeeze the exericise it needs into the 30 minutes the owner has spare. I see owners do the last every day. They haven't time for a long walk ( or are too lazy), so go to the local park to " Let the dog have a run" for 10 minutes. I like dogs, I've owned them ,( one came from the RSPCA and hated uniforms , hated them so much that he bit the RSPCA inspector every year when he came to check on "Jason") trained them, cried over them ( Especially when carrying her upstairs after she had her hip broken, which caused her to limp whenever she got it wet , a major problem for a working retreiver, If I hated dogs as mch as everyone here thinks maybe I should have had Bess put down then rather than 10 years later) and had to shoot one ( and cried over that , later when no-one , especially the stupid, stupid, owner was around) , I dislike the, new, urban, dog owner that thinks that they can steal public space to make up for the lack of time they have to really look after their dog. Anyone who thinks that a park is a good place to let a dog run around is one of those, anyone who thinks that having the dog run along with them whislt they cycle, because they haven't the time to take them for a proper walk, the ones that can't be bothered to train a dog to stop, dead, there, with one word or command, who buy extendible leads because they are too idle to train the dog to walk to heel, the ones who let theit dog sit on the train seat ( Hah hah I just can't stop him , get down Lucky, see, he just does what he wants , mad ininnit?) . Those I dislike, the vast majority of the owners that I see.
But hey, if you want just lump me in as a "dog hater" .