Has your helmet saved your life poll

[snorri]

Why does everyone say that the helmet law in Australia has made cycling more dangerous?

After helmets were made compulsory in Australia the number of head injuries was reduced, but this reduction was not as great as the reduction in people cycling..
See para 6 in the article linked....
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1013.html

 

[bianchi1]

After helmets were made compulsory in Australia the number of head injuries was reduced, but this reduction was not as great as the reduction in people cycling..
See para 6 in the article linked....
http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1013.html

Using cyclehelmets.org is like using the daily mail for informed information about immigration

Read the articles themselves and draw your own conclusions....don't use a website to tell you what to think.

The information from paragraph 6 is from 2006! Hardly current!

Edited for extra info as I was forced to read cyclehelmet.org!!

 

[lay]

You can have one when you pose a smart arse question.

Even a smart girl like you should be able to quantify such text that warrants what I ask...

Or is that too simple for you 'claud ?

I see you haven't rescinded in your eloquent approach after all this time, too.

 

[snorri]

Using cyclehelmets.org is like using the daily mail for informed information about immigration
Read the articles themselves and draw your own conclusions....don't use a website to tell you what to think.
The information from paragraph 6 is from 2006! Hardly current!
Edited for extra info as I was forced to read cyclehelmet.org!!

Who was it mentioned not shooting the messenger just recently?

 

[bianchi1]

Who was it mentioned not shooting the messenger just recently?

The trouble is cyclehelmet.org.net don't send all the message, or even link to the articles they use.

Should you be interested, the article you alluded to in paragraph 6 is here...with some interesting counter arguments afterwards.

http://pubmedcentralcanada.ca/pmcc/articles/PMC1410897/pdf/bmj33200722.pdf

If the messenger is 8 years late, and delivering an incomplete message...they need shooting!! (Or at least a telling off)

 

[bianchi1]

[QUOTE 3018395, member: 9609"]what is it with some cyclists who wear a helmet that makes them so overly concerned about the welfare of other random cyclists that don't ? Do they also go into some sort of blind panic when they see someone smoking or having a beer or even a pasty. ? Seriously what is it about helmet wearing that can cause such distress to the wearer.[/QUOTE]

Just to be clear..you have identified 3 activities that have been shown to be dangerous (in varying degrees) and compared them with cycling without a helmet.

An interesting argument, especially if you take your example of smoking.

For years everyone denied it was harmful
Then when that was disproven, it became a freedom of choice issue
Then when it was banned in most areas it was widely accepted
It's only a matter of time until it is banned completely
future generations will look back in disbelief that anyone smoked.

 

[John the Canuck]

came off this afternoon
nothing massive but my head DID hit the tarmac
helmet is cracked above left ear near the temple

argue away ladies - I will always wear one

 

[ufkacbln]

No personal insults just opinion that stands the test of time in regards to safety ![/url]

Laughable

Then lets paraphrase the reest:

I can ride my bike as fast as a motor vehicle, yet legally not wear a helmet - thats very wrong. Speed equals danger and thus the law requires you to wear a helmet.

Really?

Which law would that be then?

... and of course if you are serious about your helmet, surely you should be riding at 12 mph or less?

It seems counter productive to rant about how helmets are the magic bullet and then knowingly decide to ride in a way that negates or reduces any beneft there may be.

In the future cycling will warrant a helmet, if you dont have the inteligence to wear one in the 1st place - thats a safe marker for all, as we can all see here; stupidity is well in evidence.

Lastly, i dont give two ^%$£" what people think or say on here..i know I'm safe and those that choose to wear a helmet - friends and associates who dont know my opinion.

...so anyone who doesn't agree with your ill informed ranting lacks intelligence..... excellent factually based argument there then

You've got to be pretty brave (and stupid) not to wear a helmet nowadays.

I'm sure this will keep all the suicide maniacs, on here, who dont desire protection via a helmet lots of heap of frenzied excitement ! lol

Nope - just amusement at the naivety and continued use of insults to cover any coherent supported argument

 

[ufkacbln]

Get a life Mickle - you dont have the sense. if you do crash and end up a vegetable - you wont be able to come on here and say - i would have been better wearing a helmet: how sad.

Get a life - you dont have the sense. if you do fall down the stairs and end up a vegetable - you wont be able to come on here and say - i would have been better wearing a helmet: how sad.

Would you agree that this is irrefutable evidence for Stair helmets

Get a life - you dont have the sense. if you do trip on a kerb and end up a vegetable - you wont be able to come on here and say - i would have been better wearing a helmet: how sad.

Would you agree that this is irrefutable evidence for pedestrian helmets

Get a life - you dont have the sense. if you do fall in the shower / bath and end up a vegetable - you wont be able to come on here and say - i would have been better wearing a helmet: how sad.

Would you agree that this is irrefutable evidence for shower helmets



Given this overwhelming evidence for stair, pedestrian and shower helmets..... how do you stand on their use?

 

[Edwardoka]

Since words are apparently incapable of communicating concepts in this situation, so here's a simple illustration that anyone with a functioning brain stem can understand.

Examine the following image of the same guy falling off to the side after being hit by a car, one wearing a helmet, one not, paused at the moment that they hit the ground, and then answer these questions.

Which is more likely to end up with a brain injury?
Which will have a smashed helmet?
Which will have all the force of the collision transferred through their head and neck?

 

[srw]

helmet is cracked above left ear near the temple

No, but I'll use seatbelt.

I'm always amazed how many people wade in to these arguments without reading the forum.

 

[srw]

Why does everyone say that the helmet law in Australia has made cycling more dangerous?

The new evidence does not seem to support this assertion.

http://www.beezodogsplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Corrected_Proof.pdf

Please don't shoot the messenger...just putting it out there!

That article doesn't support the conclusion it draws. It purports to compare pre-MHL and post-MHL but has no pre-MHL data at all. Yet it plots a graph including 1990 (pre-MHL). The graph it plots marks 1991 as the critical point at which helmet-wearing started, but the text refers to 1992 as the critical point. The graph suggests that 1991 was a low blip rather than a change.

And I'm not even a particularly well-trained statistician.

 

[theclaud]

And I'm not even a particularly well-trained statistician.

The Helmet Thread Insouciance Award goes to @srw.

 

[Big Nick]

You need a helmet on to join this thread!

Arguing the toss is a bit pointless really as its personal choice in this country so don't wear one if you like, it's your head!

The recent experience/crash I had involved me hitting my head quite hard on the road giving me a bad concussion and damaged cycle helmet, all I can say is I'm glad the helmet was between the road surface and my head as was the paramedic whom attended to me.

Elsewhere a guy in the local cycle club who is 'old school' and never wears a cycle helmet just a cap crashed a month ago and fractured his skull and was in a coma for 2 weeks. Whilst he may still of been if he'd been wearing a helmet surely the added head protection would have lessened the chances of serious injury?

 

[Licramite]

To be fair a helmet may not have saved him, - but not wearing one would definately not have saved him.

Unfortunately you are far more likely to suffer an injury riding a bike than say driving a car , and the protection we wear on a bike is - well nothing, compared to say someone riding a motorbike.

My helmet has saved my bonce from some hard knocks, either on low hanging branches to good old tarmac

there is is this silly argument why don't pedestrians wear them, but your far more likely to bang your head on a bike than walking down the street , (just look at the % of both and injury %) but many people -I see it all the time , regard the two activities as the same.

but at the end of the day - its your bonce, its upto you how much you value it.
most riders rely on the safety device called
"It won't happen to me - because I'm special"

I suppose it comes down to "Do you feel lucky , Punk!"