Has your helmet saved your life poll

[ufkacbln]

If helmets were mandatory for children how would that be any different, regarding parental rights, to the use of booster seats in cars, discipline through hitting a child or sparklers at halloween??

Not what was being discussed - the matter under discussion is your statement that you believed the choice should not be allowed for some parents

All of which parents may have a differing view on but in the interest of safety may be enforced upon them through law.

Not what was being discussed - Legislation is a fully informed and consented process, by elected and appointed representatives and goes through a due process. In this case we are discussing why you as an individual feel that you have the right to remove the choice

Back in the day you could buy your parents cigarettes, not wear a seatbelt in the back, not need a child booster seat, get the belt in school and drink driving was far more common. I wonder why these things became illegal?

Not what was being discussed - the matter under discussion is your statement that you believed the choice should not be allowed for some parents ...care to actually reply to the point raised?

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Not what was being discussed - the matter under discussion is your statement that you believed the choice should not be allowed for some parents



Not what was being discussed - Legislation is a fully informed and consented process, by elected and appointed representatives and goes through a due process. In this case we are discussing why you as an individual feel that you have the right to remove the choice



Not what was being discussed - the matter under discussion is your statement that you believed the choice should not be allowed for some parents ...care to actually reply to the point raised?

As you previously said to me............

Nice swerve.

Regarding my OPINION on children wearing helmets when cycling, it is my opinion and needs no justification. Just as you do not feel the need to disclose reasons for all your opinions. My opinion is not enforcing and nor does it remove choice. I encourage choice. You are the one who has set a challenge to disprove the effectiveness of my own cycle helmets.

I find it tiresome to be asked the same questions repeatedly, especially if you just looked at my posts as you would see the answers already there.

 

[Alun]

Were as those who are against helmet wearers dont even 'seem' to be reasoned

Who are "those who are against helmet wearers"?
There are some on this thread that are against compulsion, but that's not the same thing !
Come on, Name and Shame !

 

[theclaud]

Excellent summation of the helmet compulsion lobby there.

Not really - needs also to include paternalistic, patronizing, unthinking, joyless, authoritarian and craven.

 

[ufkacbln]

Once again you are right and i am wrong purely based on your opinion or biased views. NOT fact. You posts are as confused as your wish to not wear a helmet.

Again your inability to allow anyone to make their own informed decision?

Different types of riding involve different risks, weather, ice, type of road, type of bike, and as you were prepared to admit proper tyres

If I ride a recumbent trike, it's increased stability reduces my risk of a fall substantially. I have also undertaken extensive training in road use, again which is proven to substantially reduce risk. I decide the risk and act accordingly. For instance I would decide not to ride an ordinary two wheeled bike in snow and ice, but would have no problem riding any of the spike tyred trikes.

I would not have been out on a two wheeled bike on these occasions:

Especially if you think a helmet worn "sometimes" is the same as wearing one every time.

It is a perfectly valid decision to wear a helmet sometimes. The failure to accept this open minded approach is what is worrying.

Again the point is the individual decision. I use for snow tyres on a ride because of snow and ice, then don't use hem ona fine summer day as the risks are different. Assessing the difference of the two rides and using that assessment to decide whether to wear a helmet is the same process.


Why do you feel that I should not be able to decide whether I need to wear a helmet or not , and why can you not respect that decision

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Why do you feel that I should not be able to decide whether I need to wear a helmet or not , and why can you not respect that decision

Over several posts i have claimed and repeated that i don't care what you do and i am pro choice!!!!!!

Please refer to my previous post regarding "tiresome".

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

"Different types of riding involve different risks"

This is exactly my point regarding the stats Norm used to prove peds are more at risk than cyclists. It is entirely to vague to reach anywhere near this conclusion.

You would need to factor (at least) what kind of cycling you are comparing it to. Would anyone in their right mind consider a ped walking down a street more at risk than a cyclist travelling 30mph+ down a steep gradient?? The former is covered under "pedestrian" and the latter "cycling" but at no point is that in any way comparable to a drunken pedestrian crossing a busy road and a cyclist riding on a turbo trainer. There is a lot of grey area here.

 

[theclaud]

Please refer to my previous post regarding "tiresome".

You said it...

 

[Norm]

This is exactly my point regarding the stats Norm used to prove peds are more at risk than cyclists. It is entirely to vague to reach anywhere near this conclusion.

Not only tiresome but now he's gone beyond clutching at irrelevant stats and resorted to lying. What I actually said, several times, was...

Yes... and that's exactly why I said similar. You can look at reasons for either to be adjusted, such as age, alcohol content, time standing at bus stops, time riding a bike across a mountain... etc.

The point remains that the two have similar risks of injuries.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Not only tiresome but now he's gone beyond clutching at irrelevant stats and resorted to lying. What I actually said, several times, was...

I am sorry Norm but the link you sent me with said stats allow for no such thing. Do you really think if it was so easy to prove, either way, it maybe would have been proven by now?? Yet there is no concrete evidence. Just the vague nonsense that you have previously mentioned.

How many times can you say "irrelevant"?? What you really mean to say is "IMO". Your word is not fact, just opinion.

It is no surprise to me that everything posted from you lot can be found from one website:

http://cyclehelmets.org/

Every single thing you guys have said is in here!!

Try some thinking on your own without the need to borrow ideas from others and pawning it off as your own.
Yes Norm, very very tiresome.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

You said it...

Helpful to prove that all you guys do is attempt to bully. Not high school gents. I'd suggest it's been many years since it was for most of you so act like it.

 

[mickle]

Also there is evidence to suggest helmets help protect your head whilst cycling. I have provided some which took a simple google search. There is also evidence to suggest a helmet may not protect your head whilst cycling. This is also available at the drop of a hat via a simple google search.

I must have missed the post where you showed evidence that cycle helmets protect cyclists heads. Would you mind pointing me to it?

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

I must have missed the post where you showed evidence that cycle helmets protect cyclists heads. Would you mind pointing me to it?

No probs.

Post 182. Page 10.

As previously said it isn't 100% but point me to 100% proof they don't work.

 

[theclaud]

Helpful to prove that all you guys do is attempt to bully. Not high school gents. I'd suggest it's been many years since it was for most of you so act like it.

Less of the "gents". The thing is - it's REALLY BORING, this obsession with silly polystyrene hats. It doesn't get any less boring the hundredth time someone asks why you don't wear a helmet. I hold the promoters, pushers and internet helmet bullies partly responsible for this situation.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Less of the "gents". The thing is - it's REALLY BORING, this obsession with silly polystyrene hats. It doesn't get any less boring the hundredth time someone asks why you don't wear a helmet. I hold the promoters, pushers and internet helmet bullies partly responsible for this situation.

Ah you are female. Apologies, the Claude had me thinking Van damme.
Lady.......

I agree it is boring and very much over cooked. More annoying, i find, is the way these debates always turn borderline nasty. I have an extremely good going nature but find myself being lowered to the same tone. All because we either do or don't wear a helmet??

Lets leave it there shall we?