Has your helmet saved your life poll

[Pat "5mph"]

@Cunobelin without intending controversy or anything, you do know that the child's helmet you keep linking is not a cycling helmet, but is intended to protect the child's head from tumbles on taking his first steps?
Indeed my parents used a similar one when my wee brother was of crawling age (about 40 years ago!)
Nothing to do with cycling at all.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

So you can't justify the claim you made then?

I look forward to your informed reply

I have justified my claim. You have added to it with some helmet that i have not heard of. Why should one product warrant more attention than any other??

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

@Cunobelin without intending controversy or anything, you do know that the child's helmet you keep linking is not a cycling helmet, but is intended to protect the child's head from tumbles on taking his first steps?
Indeed my parents used a similar one when my wee brother was of crawling age (about 40 years ago!)
Nothing to do with cycling at all.

I am betting this is the trap he is attempting to lead me into.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Fraser Competency?



But as you have stated you wish to remove the right of parents who do not agree with you to choose, I suspect that giving a "child" any measure of respect, or dignity would be unacceptable.

Ironic that you claim to not to care, yet want to remove the basic right of indiviuals to make an informed choice taking into regard their own circumstances.

"a child any measure of respect, or dignity".

Holy crap!! The DRAMA!!

Well if you have kids are you going to allow them to choose to smoke, drink and have sex at an age they see fit?? Or is it just cycling helmets you place in the childs trust.

 

[snorri]

Risk compensation? As in i am wearing a helmet because i have crashed before. Nop. Risk assessment.

No, risk compensation and risk assessment are very different.
Anyway, your attitude to risk is very different to mine, so I'll drop out now.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

No, risk compensation and risk assessment are very different.
Anyway, your attitude to risk is very different to mine, so I'll drop out now.

Yup i know the difference. I was very clear.

 

[ufkacbln]

@Cunobelin without intending controversy or anything, you do know that the child's helmet you keep linking is not a cycling helmet, but is intended to protect the child's head from tumbles on taking his first steps?
Indeed my parents used a similar one when my wee brother was of crawling age (about 40 years ago!)
Nothing to do with cycling at all.

No problem at all with the question

I am aware that the helmet is for toddlers, in fact the THudguard states that:

THUDGUARD® IS NOT SUITABLE FOR PEDAL CYCLISTS, SKATEBOARDERS AND ROLLERSKATERS.

(Mind you, if I had a kid this age who was cycling, skateboarding and rollerskating, I would be really impressed!)


They also have a cycle helmet- the cycle helmet is called the "Spike"

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

No problem at all with the question

I am aware that the helmet is for toddlers, in fact the THudguard states that:



(Mind you, if I had a kid this age who was cycling, skateboarding and rollerskating, I would be really impressed!)


They also have a cycle helmet- the cycle helmet is called the "Spike"

So why would i back this??

Lost any respect from me there friend. I repeatedly said i had not heard of it and you pressed the matter. An obvious attempt to undermine. How this kind of post (original question RE toddler helmet) is relevant is beyond me.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

That is the whole point.

Ok, so how can PedroSanchezo find statistics relevant to children's cycle helmets like that one, if that is NOT one?
Or do you mean comparing statistics of children that banged their head while wearing this kind of helmet and injured/did not injure themselves?
I doubt those statistics exist, btw.
As you know, my agenda is "do what you like, my helmet keeps my hair tidy and my head warm"

 

[ufkacbln]

"a child any measure of respect, or dignity".

Holy crap!! The DRAMA!!

Well if you have kids are you going to allow them to choose to smoke, drink and have sex at an age they see fit?? Or is it just cycling helmets you place in the childs trust.

You do realise that all the examples you have chosen are illegal, and therefore entirely irrelevant?

Respect and dignity for the child's right to choose do not extend to actions that are illegal.

So in answer to your question then yes there are lots of areas where I place trust in a child's decisions - some are simple like choosing their supper, or deciding what to wear, others are more complex.

Let's take a more realistic example?

A "child" decides that they want to cycle to their friend's house.

Would you refuse to let them or would you consider their abilities, skills, maturity, and if these are all acceptable then trust the plans that they have made?

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Bah, I'm off to bed, it's all to complicated for this time of the night.
I think Adrian is right in saying the helmet wearing while cycling will be compulsory at some point or other.
Not because some of us wear it now, imo, but because the government needs to be seen to regulate activities when they become mainstream.
The more cycling becomes popular, the more incidents will happen, not because it is more unsafe then, say, walking, but because not all cyclist will have the same skills.
More numpties on the road=more incidents=public outcry=government interference.
Good night all.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

You do realise that all the examples you have chosen are illegal, and therefore entirely irrelevant?

Respect and dignity for the child's right to choose do not extend to actions that are illegal.

So in answer to your question then yes there are lots of areas where I place trust in a child's decisions - some are simple like choosing their supper, or deciding what to wear, others are more complex.

Let's take a more realistic example?

A "child" decides that they want to cycle to their friend's house.

Would you refuse to let them or would you consider their abilities, skills, maturity, and if these are all acceptable then trust the plans that they have made?

You talk about my illegal examples being irrelevant and then talk about realism?? Interesting. Must be the first time a child has ever considered breaking the law because they think their rights of choice are more important.

I am not getting into a parenting debate with you. I get the feeling you will debate with me until the Mayans prediction ends us all. Maybe even longer!!

Regarding your illegal point, it will be of little relevance soon as helmet wearing will be mandatory. Then it will be just the same (from a legal point) as the "illegal" activities mentioned above.

As Pat says, too late for this caper. I bid thee good night.

 

[ufkacbln]

You talk about my illegal examples being irrelevant and then talk about realism?? Interesting. Must be the first time a child has ever considered breaking the law because they think their rights of choice are more important.

I am not getting into a parenting debate with you. I get the feeling you will debate with me until the Mayans prediction ends us all. Maybe even longer!!

Regarding your illegal point, it will be of little relevance soon as helmet wearing will be mandatory. Then it will be just the same (from a legal point) as the "illegal" activities mentioned above.

As Pat says, too late for this caper. I bid thee good night.

Nice swerve.

Now would you care to answer the question?

A "child" decides that they want to cycle to their friend's house.

Would you refuse to let them or would you consider their abilities, skills, maturity, and if these are all acceptable then trust the plans that they have made?

 

[Alun]

PedroSanchezo

"Until it is made a legal requirement and that will not be too far away, be it good or bad. "
"Though like it or not it will be a legal requirement soon."
"Regarding your illegal point, it will be of little relevance soon as helmet wearing will be mandatory."

You seem to think that legislation will soon make helmet wearing whilst cycling compulsory.
Can you give some timescale to your prediction?

 

[ufkacbln]

Y
I am not getting into a parenting debate with you.

It was your imperious and egotistic claim that you know better than others and wished to remove the choice over whether helmets are worn by children that opened a parenting debate, now a more reasonable alternative that children and parents have a basis for choice is offered you don't want to continue?

Fine by me......