Has your helmet saved your life poll

[david k]

It is because helmet compulsion has a proven, measurable dis-benefit on cycling as a whole, so the notion needs to be stamped on whenever anyone raises it.

I haven't read anything here referring to compulsion?

Why would anyone jump to that? I can only assume it's an attempt to justify the slating of someone who has a different view?

That is clearly not what has been under debate as far as I can see. And even if it was do you really think slating somebody with this view on a forum would make any difference at all in the great scheme of things?

 

[ufkacbln]

but we must consider to time spent 'at risk' 1 mile on a bike is generally 4 times less than walking

Which is why cyclists are such killers and a high risk to pedestrian safety.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

So you do support the Thudguard then?

Jeez do i actually have to go and research this helmet? Lol. Can you tell me first why you obviously do not. Please.

 

[snorri]

Cycling is a dangerous activity. I have broken my collar bone, broken my wrist and received many cases of road rash.

Have you considered behavioural change in order to make your cycling safer, perhaps risk compensation is playing a role in your crash history?

 

[Pat "5mph"]

So you do support the Thudguard then?

FYI this kind of protective head wear for infants learning to walk is widely used abroad - Germany and Italy at least ime.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Have you considered behavioural change in order to make your cycling safer, perhaps risk compensation is playing a role in your crash history?

Two crashes of note, one whilst racing. No i haven't. Are you saying people should wear helmets if they plan to ride faster? I think they probably should yeh.
A blow out or puncture at high speed may be uncontrollable, this surely does not mean i should not cycle fast in case it leads to a fall? That would not be my behaviour. That would be my luck.

Risk compensation? As in i am wearing a helmet because i have crashed before. Nop. Risk assessment.

 

[david k]

I can't answer why it should be that pancho feels the need to be so rude and dismissive of other people's opinions. We have however in the past identified your compulsionist tendencies have we not?

You started a thread Adrian with the purpose of identifying eveyone's agenda. I completed this as suggested, so if you want to check my views you can always see your own thread started for that purpose.

I haven't found pedro dismissive at all on the contrary, It seems to me he has tried to be open in the debate . However many on here who dont like helmets or dont want to wear them cannot allow others to hold a different view, and more often than not get quite uptight about it and show a distinct lack of respect towards others.
Furthermore when asked about this they fall back to compulsion as their defense again and again. As pedro said earlier, if you don't want to wear one then don't wear one, compulsion argument put to bed. Back to the points at hand then

 

[david k]

I know what you posted on my agenda thread and I also remember an earlier thread which contradicts that.
Now to clarify this, for the umpteenth time, the compulsion issue is the only issue as far as as I am concerned.

Then you can relax and leave the thread since that's not under debate here.

Any contradiction is easily cleared up by referring to my post in a thread (your thread) designed for that single purpose. My post in response to your direct question on agenda is still my current view. If it anytime I am convinced to hold a different view, I will be sure to update the aforementioned post in the aforementioned thread.

 

[ufkacbln]

Jeez do i actually have to go and research this helmet? Lol. Can you tell me first why you obviously do not. Please.

Do not what?

The question is simple... you have stated that you think helmets should be compulsory for children. This is a child's helmet, one endorsed by RoSpA and the College of Emergency Medicine

Do you support its use or not?.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Do not what?

The question is simple... you have stated that you think helmets should be compulsory for children. This is a child's helmet, one endorsed by RoSpA and the College of Emergency Medicine

Do you support its use or not?.

"Do not what?" Obviously you "do not" support it's use.

I have not researched the helmet nor have i any prior knowledge regarding this helmet. There are other helmets though that are approved and yes i think a child should wear one. They are not able to choose for themselves so an adult must do so for them. I do not believe that ALL parents should be given that decision. Certainly not after reading some of the against arguments on here!

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Do not what?

The question is simple... you have stated that you think helmets should be compulsory for children. This is a child's helmet, one endorsed by RoSpA and the College of Emergency Medicine

Do you support its use or not?.

Do you think an adult should be able to decide if the child wears a helmet? Or even should a child be able to decide? Lets say under the age of 16 for example.

 

[ufkacbln]

"Do not what?" Obviously you "do not" support it's use.

I have not researched the helmet nor have i any prior knowledge regarding this helmet. There are other helmets though that are approved and yes i think a child should wear one. They are not able to choose for themselves so an adult must do so for them. I do not believe that ALL parents should be given that decision. Certainly not after reading some of the against arguments on here!

Have you actually read the posts?


It would be interesting if you could justify this claim that I "obviously do not support" the Thudguard.

 

[Pedrosanchezo]

Have you actually read the posts?


It would be interesting if you could justify this claim that I "obviously do not support" the Thudguard.

Then why are you asking?? It is not out of interest is it?? Sounds a lot like you are trying to get to me to make an uninformed decision and to be honest i don't have an answer there. I have though told you that children should wear an approved safety helmet whilst cycling.

Why so eager for me to answer the "Thudguard" question? I have made no claims that it works nor have i promoted it. You brought it to me. I can only imagine in an attempt to trap me in some way. I'll look at it later. No point in skimming then coming back with a half arsed, uninformed, answer.

 

[ufkacbln]

Do you think an adult should be able to decide if the child wears a helmet? Or even should a child be able to decide? Lets say under the age of 16 for example.

Fraser Competency?

"...whether or not a child is capable of giving the necessary consent will depend on the
child’s maturity and understanding and the nature of the consent required. The child must
be capable of making a reasonable assessment of the advantages and disadvantages of
the treatment proposed, so the consent, if given, can be properly and fairly described as
true consent."

But as you have stated you wish to remove the right of parents who do not agree with you to choose, I suspect that giving a "child" any measure of respect, or dignity would be unacceptable.

Ironic that you claim to not to care, yet want to remove the basic right of indiviuals to make an informed choice taking into regard their own circumstances.

 

[ufkacbln]

Then why are you asking?? It is not out of interest is it?? Sounds a lot like you are trying to get to me to make an uninformed decision and to be honest i don't have an answer there. I have though told you that children should wear an approved safety helmet whilst cycling.

Why so eager for me to answer the "Thudguard" question? I have made no claims that it works nor have i promoted it. You brought it to me. I can only imagine in an attempt to trap me in some way. I'll look at it later. No point in skimming then coming back with a half arsed, uninformed, answer.

So you can't justify the claim you made then?

I look forward to your informed reply