Hackney council and RLJ cyclists
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mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Yes, but a pedestrian is capable of committing the offence of propelling a vehicle across a stop line.
Pushing a bike over a zebra has never been an offence. I think some believed it to be, then a famous case called Crank v Brooks established otherwise on appeal. I think that's where your correct "person pushing a bike is considered to be a pedestrian" comes from.
It's not an offence even to ride across a zebra. The offence is if one fails to give way to any pedestrians on the zebra.
Mr untested excuse is as @mjr wrote - the light is defective, therefore I can proceed. There is an example on a road near me that most Sunday's at about 7.33am I will treat as a give way. I have reported the lights 3 times without any reply so I have done my bit. I am not sure I would be brave enough to try if the Police were obviously around.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
No, if a light is defective you may go through on red. A temporary traffic light that doesn’t recognise cyclists is defective.
DCBassman
Guru
- Location
- The lumpy far South West
Unless there is zero other traffic, there's no other way to do it but dangerously. It's there for a reason...
There are many locations and times of day/night when there is no other traffic.
Unless there is zero other traffic, there's no other way to do it but dangerously. It's there for a reason...
DCBassman
Guru
- Location
- The lumpy far South West
Then that's at least not dangerous, as I said.
I am confused why you bought it up then.
Badger_Boom
Veteran
- Location
- York
This seems Ironic when my most recent anecdata was gathered while waiting to cross on foot at a light controlled junction last week. The lights changed and a chap on a bike slowed and stopped, but as the green man lit the following car drove straight through. 
ebikeerwidnes
Guru
- Location
- Z’ha’dum
There is a set of traffic lights near me that doesn't respond to bikes
I have tried to just go carefully but I decided it was too dangerous - not great visibility for approaching cars looking at a green light to see an unexpected bike
I normally end up getting off and walking across using the pedestrian lights
I have tried to just go carefully but I decided it was too dangerous - not great visibility for approaching cars looking at a green light to see an unexpected bike
I normally end up getting off and walking across using the pedestrian lights
DCBassman
Guru
- Location
- The lumpy far South West
I brought it up because I'm one of those who wouldn't risk it even if I could see no other traffic. Not in that much of a hurry...
MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
- Location
- Lancaster... the little city.
I will jump a red light if there's no other traffic around... it was usually at about 5.15am on my way to work, the green would change to red on my approach, as if Sod himself is operating the light. No other cars around and I'd ride on through... if there was another vehicle, I'd have to stop just so they didn't think I was one of those red light jumping cyclists
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
...which is that motorists cannot be trusted to negotiate and merge nicely, as they prove repeatedly. It is a great shame that cyclists are punished in at least two major ways for this failure of motoring: once by having red lights; and second by being fined if they dare ignore this motorist protection measure.
My favourite cycling crossroads video has been taken down, so here's a slightly quieter junction:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqQSwQLDIK8
fair weather cyclist
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ebikeerwidnes
Guru
- Location
- Z’ha’dum
WIth all these RLJ and stuff I do wonder sometimes which cyclists they catch
there was one reported somewhere round this area where they decided to crack down on cyclists putting lives at risk (apparently) by cycling through the pedestrianised part of the high street
They basically put some people on the area and when they spotted someone cycling in the area they stopped them and gave them a fixed penalty notice
problem was that to stop them they would run towards them or shout 'STOP'
so - guess what type of cyclist actually stopped, gave some ID and took the penalty
Yup - only the ones that were older and more responsible and carefully avoiding pedestrians
according to observation from locals - the local kids used to go round a loop where they went through the pedestrianised area multiple times at speed and laughed at people trying to stop them
So if the cops trying to book people are not in cars or on motorbikes - how are they going to stop/identify a kid on a bike who shoots trhough a red light
which is a fir description of the vast majority of red light jumpers round here
other areas may vary!!!
there was one reported somewhere round this area where they decided to crack down on cyclists putting lives at risk (apparently) by cycling through the pedestrianised part of the high street
They basically put some people on the area and when they spotted someone cycling in the area they stopped them and gave them a fixed penalty notice
problem was that to stop them they would run towards them or shout 'STOP'
so - guess what type of cyclist actually stopped, gave some ID and took the penalty
Yup - only the ones that were older and more responsible and carefully avoiding pedestrians
according to observation from locals - the local kids used to go round a loop where they went through the pedestrianised area multiple times at speed and laughed at people trying to stop them
So if the cops trying to book people are not in cars or on motorbikes - how are they going to stop/identify a kid on a bike who shoots trhough a red light
which is a fir description of the vast majority of red light jumpers round here
other areas may vary!!!
