Guilty or Not Guilty
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DRM
Guru
- Location
- West Yorks
No they didn’t, but lack of awareness put themselves in danger
Illaveago
Guru
- Location
- Chippenham,Wiltshire.
A similar thing happened to me the other day but I remained upright! I slowed down to let the idiot in a white BMW past ! It was a narrow road and we were approaching one another . He was driving fast towards me . I was wondering if he was ever going to slow down ! He eventually did just a few yards in front of me ! I gave him my most serious Paddington Bear stare as he went past ! 
steveindenmark
Legendary Member
I think he could have slowed down and the rider is guilty of incompetence 😁. Its an odd one.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
I'm loving all of these pompous expert "if it was me I'd have done this and that and the other" comments. I'm surprised no one's mentioned saddle height.
T.M.H.N.E.T
Rainbows aren't just for world champions
- Location
- Northern Ireland
Saddle soo high she couldn't pedal
Deleted User
Guest
- Location
- Wolverhampton
Exactly, which is why all this is pointless.
Illaveago
Guru
- Location
- Chippenham,Wiltshire.
I just had another look at the video .
Did the rider who was videoing the ride run into the person who came off ?
I can't see how when they turned round to see the Land Rover that they avoided hitting her !
Did the rider who was videoing the ride run into the person who came off ?
I can't see how when they turned round to see the Land Rover that they avoided hitting her !
ebikeerwidnes
Guru
- Location
- Z’ha’dum
The person who fell off reminded me of a few times when I have had to stop and not realised that the ground on my left was slightly lower than expected
Hence I put my foot down onto thin air
which result in a slow fall to the left accompanied by a growing hope that no-one is around to notice
Although the car is clearly going too fast for the circumstance - to be clear
Hence I put my foot down onto thin air
which result in a slow fall to the left accompanied by a growing hope that no-one is around to notice
Although the car is clearly going too fast for the circumstance - to be clear
Mo1959
Legendary Member
- Location
- Perthshire,Scotland
I must be really sick as I laughed when watching it
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
- Location
- You want hills? We got hills
Everyone has differing thresholds of what's acceptable. If that was me cycling I'd have thought "hmmm, wish he'd slowed down a bit". Then just got on with the ride. I wouldn't have felt endangered, no big deal. Appreciate that the police force and recording magistrate felt it was bad enough to prosecute but I wouldn't regard it as particularly poor driving.
I can't help but think the rider falling off (which had precious little to do with the incident) influenced the process
I can't help but think the rider falling off (which had precious little to do with the incident) influenced the process
newfhouse
Resolutely on topic
The police offered a driver training course, presumably because they didn't feel it serious or clear cut enough to prosecute. It seems it only went to court because the driver failed to attend.
Had the rider not fallen the video would likely never have been published or sent to the police.
The way I see it, the falling rider was inattentive when the leader braked suddenly. Some of us may like to think we are sufficiently robust to shrug off a close pass like that but drivers have no way of gauging a cyclist's risk tolerance. In situations like that they should be more cautious and slow the f... down.
Alex321
Guru
- Location
- South Wales
That isn't the way that works. You get offered the course for a variety of offences in place of prosecution. If you don't take up the offer, or if you do but then fail to attend, then the prosecution goes ahead.
You aren't offered the course because it isn't serious or clear enough to prosecute - and if you were, then the evidence still wouldn't be enough to prosecute if you declined.
Very likely.
Agreed.
newfhouse
Resolutely on topic
In practice an assessment is made about the seriousness, the administrative burden and the likelihood of conviction. In that respect it is similar to being offered a police caution for some other offences - there is an admission of guilt but no onerous punishment. Of course the driver is free to argue the toss in court if he wishes to take the risk of losing. The whole process - for both sides - is like a game of poker.
