Giro helmets - huge appreciation

[Angelfishsolo]

It does but not in a way that helps your and david k's beliefs. Either your accidents would not have produced head injuries worthy of reporting anyway or the helmet changed what would have been a head injury into no head injury.

The ones where nothing would have happened anyway we can ignore because they will be unreported either way. For the others, when you double the number of helmet wearers as happens when mandatory laws are introduced, then you are going to convert a large number of what would have been reported head injuries into non-reports. i.e the number of reported head injuries will drop.

The fact that no drop is seen indicates that conversion process is not happening i.e. the new helmet wearers saw no decrease in their number of head injuries despite them all wearing helmets for the first time. As before, there are two options. Either head injuries are not decreasing because helmets are doing nothing that changes the outcome or they are causing people to have more accidents which compensates for the lower percentage of accidents which caused a head injury.

How would you know which accidents would have resulted in no injuries? Seems to me that the stats collected are chosen for a reason ie to support the argument for not wearing a helmet.

 

[Red Light]

Dont take hump bridge because i have countered your 'evidence' if you wish to submit evidence you should be able to accept people will challenge it

Can you point out where you countered my evidence with hard evidence of your own? I must have missed it


P.S Can you stop this funny interleaved bold quoting and replies. It makes it a bugger to reply to.

 

[Dan B]

P.S Can you stop this what's your funny interleavedproblem with bold quoting then? it's perfectly readableand replies. It makes it a bugger to reply to.

 

[tigger]

I am a helmet wearer and I would be delighted with that result. How are your injuries?

Injuries are sore, collar bone really so. Getting the dressings on the wounds changed / off tomorrow. Hip is the only one without a dressing at the mo


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Glad its not my head.

 

[JonnyBlade]

You'd all look bloody stupid without a helmet

 

[Red Light]

How would you know which accidents would have resulted in no injuries? Seems to me that the stats collected are chosen for a reason ie to support the argument for not wearing a helmet.

You don't have to know which ones. You cannot escape the conclusion that if helmet wearing went up and helmets worked, the number of recorded head injuries would go down.

Rather hilarious that you think the stats are collected to support the argument for not wearing a helmet when they were collected mainly by Govenments that had passed mandatory helmet laws. But I guess it helps you rationalise away information uncomfortable for your beliefs. Have you ever read When Prophecies Fail?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

You don't have to know which ones. You cannot escape the conclusion that if helmet wearing went up and helmets worked, the number of recorded head injuries would go down.

Rather hilarious that you think the stats are collected to support the argument for not wearing a helmet when they were collected mainly by Govenments that had passed mandatory helmet laws. But I guess it helps you rationalise away information uncomfortable for your beliefs. Have you ever read When Prophecies Fail?

So the government collects data showing helmets are of no use just ignore the evidence or are held ransom by the Civil Service. None of the stats you have provided will stop me from staying safe.

 

[tigger]

no doubt they will find a way to discredit this, wait for it, it will be along in a moment

I think its easier for them to ignore it completely

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I think its easier for them to ignore it completely

That's how Stats work. If you don't like the data you exclude it.

 

[tigger]

That's how Stats work. If you don't like the data you exclude it.

Absolutely. or in my example above, there were no stats at all. Just a picture (requested as evidence by the prosecution) which is then ignored. Its a crazy world arguing black ios white... really glad I don't have to exist in it.

 

[tigger]

There is no evidence helmet wearers have fewer head injuries.

Erm... open your eyes dude

 

[Dan B]

Absolutely. or in my example above, there were no stats at all. Just a picture (requested as evidence by the prosecution) which is then ignored.

It snapped. It's not crushed (at least not that I can see). As has been pointed out already, several times, it takes very little force to snap a helmet, so the previous hypothesis that it probably didn't do very much at all to prevent brain injury still stands.

I can see scratches that suggest it might have saved you from scraping skin off your skull, so if that's a worthwhile outcome then fair enough, but personally I wouldn't rate a grazed scalp as significantly more life-threatening than a grazed elbow or a grazed thigh. If you're going to wear a helmet on that basis, why not wear elbow pads and hockey shorts as well?

 

[gb155]

Sorry to hear about your crash and that you are up and about albeit with some injuries and all that.. but nope... I'll carry on taking my chances thank you.

+1

 

[tigger]

It snapped. It's not crushed (at least not that I can see). As has been pointed out already, several times, it takes very little force to snap a helmet, so the previous hypothesis that it probably didn't do very much at all to prevent brain injury still stands.

I can see scratches that suggest it might have saved you from scraping skin off your skull, so if that's a worthwhile outcome then fair enough, but personally I wouldn't rate a grazed scalp as significantly more life-threatening than a grazed elbow or a grazed thigh. If you're going to wear a helmet on that basis, why not wear elbow pads and hockey shorts as well?

Hmmm I don't think it snapped, you can see its dented on the shell and the polystyrene is fractured. It doesn't matter what the extent of the damage to the helmet is. I didn't buy it to worry about the shape and thickness of the compression. I bought it to protect my head.

The point is it saved injury to my head. We'll never know the extent of what damage to my head it saved, that will always be speculation. But hopefully you understand that was the only part of my body which experienced impact and which wasn't damaged. It was the only bit that had protection...

Body armour is something that is crossing my mind now... then I can ride even more recklessly!

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Hmmm I don't think it snapped, you can see its dented on the shell and the polystyrene is fractured. It doesn't matter what the extent of the damage to the helmet is. I didn't buy it to worry about the shape and thickness of the compression. I bought it to protect my head.

The point is it saved injury to my head. We'll never know the extent of what damage to my head it saved, that will always be speculation. But hopefully you understand that was the only part of my body which experienced impact and which wasn't damaged. It was the only bit that had protection...

Body armour is something that is crossing my mind now... then I can ride even more recklessly!

Don't you get it? The people who compile these stats know which accidents to ignore as they seem to have the ability to know what would have happened had you not had on a helnet and thus can discount your crash as you would have been ok anyway