Gears - simplified!

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Big_Dave

The unlikely Cyclist
In my view, people buy a bike, who have not ridden in years, The one thing that is often overlooked is the bike they buy will often have the wrong gearing for them, Take my bike, a TDF 16 speed 2x8, I am an experienced rider, the bike came with 42/52 front and 12/26 rear, living in the peak district, there are big hills and lots of them and very few flat roads, the TDF gearing was to be quite honest pretty much unusable for me on the uphills,I converted the gearing to 3 x10 to suit me 30/42/52 front and 11/32 rear.You can have all the gadgets in the world but if the gear/bike set up is wrong for you then your never going to get anywhere.A lot of people never think to change the gearing or don't even realise that you can change the gearing. the amount of nearly new bikes that are for sale "used once, twice, one month old" etc is unbelievable.
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
In my view, people buy a bike, who have not ridden in years, The one thing that is often overlooked is the bike they buy will often have the wrong gearing for them, Take my bike, a TDF 16 speed 2x8, I am an experienced rider, the bike came with 42/52 front and 12/26 rear, living in the peak district, there are big hills and lots of them and very few flat roads, the TDF gearing was to be quite honest pretty much unusable for me on the uphills,I converted the gearing to 3 x10 to suit me 30/42/52 front and 11/32 rear.You can have all the gadgets in the world but if the gear/bike set up is wrong for you then your never going to get anywhere.A lot of people never think to change the gearing or don't even realise that you can change the gearing. the amount of nearly new bikes that are for sale "used once, twice, one month old" etc is unbelievable.
I'd have fitted a 12-28 for a bit tighter cluster, but a triple's better than a compact IMO. :biggrin:
 

Joshua Plumtree

Approaching perfection from a distance.
In my view, people buy a bike, who have not ridden in years, The one thing that is often overlooked is the bike they buy will often have the wrong gearing for them, Take my bike, a TDF 16 speed 2x8, I am an experienced rider, the bike came with 42/52 front and 12/26 rear, living in the peak district, there are big hills and lots of them and very few flat roads, the TDF gearing was to be quite honest pretty much unusable for me on the uphills,I converted the gearing to 3 x10 to suit me 30/42/52 front and 11/32 rear.You can have all the gadgets in the world but if the gear/bike set up is wrong for you then your never going to get anywhere.A lot of people never think to change the gearing or don't even realise that you can change the gearing. the amount of nearly new bikes that are for sale "used once, twice, one month old" etc is unbelievable.

Why did you buy this if you live Peak District? :tongue:
 

Joshua Plumtree

Approaching perfection from a distance.
^_^:wacko:


Really, is that the level we're at? (even with a smiley face!)

My sentence was started with IMO whereas you state your sentence as though it's fact, which of course it isn't, it's just your opinion.

Each to their own but lets leave the name calling in the playground eh!

Only joshing smokysmoo. Sorry if I caused any offence.
 
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Pontefract
I'd have fitted a 12-28 for a bit tighter cluster, but a triple's better than a compact IMO. :biggrin:
along with maybe a 28/38/50 on the front, though a new chainset is need usually. I have a really odd sized inner ring so I am stuck with the 30th, not that these days it gets used much what I did do is change the middle from 42 to 40, I would prefer a 38th, but I believe it won't do 38-52 on a shimano triple, option a 30/38/50 would mean the inner and middle are pretty close. I would be happy to lose the 12th and have an 18th for better cadence.
Cadence sensors, the novelty hasn't worn off me yet after two years, if anything its the one thing I do watch above my speed, my avg is about 90rpm up and down I can do this because i do watch my cadence, this summer I have worked on getting my cadence up, my speed has improved marginally, but I am using shorter gears, hence the real need for the 18th rear.

@kayajs24 There are stand alone bike computers that do cadence, however if you are using a gps unit i.e. Bryton/Garmin/Mio/Holux ect, any unit that is Ant+ (a communication protocol between sensor and unit) should do cadence, you will need at least the middle of the range units, Brytons R20 (R21 is the new modal, I have one, it has its shortfalls, but very good as a basic unit) does cad/hr/sp the garmin 200 doesn't.
Getting a high spin rate takes practice @smokeysmoo it's easy to think you are spinning quickly when you start when in fact you are not, I find even 90rpm is slow these days but without a sensor it is sometimes difficult to tell if I am 90+ or 80+, and does make a huge difference.

@kayajs24 you will get use to the gears, or rather how they work quickly, getting used to a particular set of gears and when best to use each one takes a little practice, I find being in a lower gear than I think I shoud be helps or even two, depends like @raleighnut says how close a grouping the rear cassette is.
 

Big_Dave

The unlikely Cyclist
Why did you buy this if you live Peak District? :tongue:

The age old problem ££££+wifey, It was far cheaper for me to buy a cheap bike and convert it to 30 speed with the gearing I wanted, even if I could have afforded a £1K bike I'd still have to alter the gearing, yes the TDF's a little heavy but bike weight isn't really an issue for me, it's cheaper for me to lose a couple of kilo to lighten the load.:thumbsup:
 

Big_Dave

The unlikely Cyclist
I'd have fitted a 12-28 for a bit tighter cluster, but a triple's better than a compact IMO. :biggrin:
I've been thinking of getting the sram pg1050 11-26 which a better ratio's the 11-28, the 28 has a 3 tooth jump from 19 to 22 (same as on my 32 cassette) and it bugs the hell out of me. not looked at the ratios of the 12-28 so might look into that
I run 11-26 and 11-32 cassettes on my old Raleigh (3x8) I can manage on the 26 but I do like the 32 as a recovery gear on big climbs, if I'm not doing that much climbing I'll use the 26t cassette, I think the Raleigh will end up 3x10 next year as well
 
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Location
Northampton
In my view, people buy a bike, who have not ridden in years, The one thing that is often overlooked is the bike they buy will often have the wrong gearing for them, Take my bike, a TDF 16 speed 2x8, I am an experienced rider, the bike came with 42/52 front and 12/26 rear, living in the peak district, there are big hills and lots of them and very few flat roads, the TDF gearing was to be quite honest pretty much unusable for me on the uphills,I converted the gearing to 3 x10 to suit me 30/42/52 front and 11/32 rear.You can have all the gadgets in the world but if the gear/bike set up is wrong for you then your never going to get anywhere.A lot of people never think to change the gearing or don't even realise that you can change the gearing. the amount of nearly new bikes that are for sale "used once, twice, one month old" etc is unbelievable.

There are so many who do this mistake. I think it is due to lack of knowledge than money.
I came here to this website and asked for help to choose a bike. It is only then I realise the importance of gear combinations etc. Till that time I had no clue. You can see that when people asked for views on bikes we still hardly talk about this subject. I sometimes think that it will be useful to have a post (do you call it a sticky?) on algorithm on how to choose a road bike
 
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The Mighty Boosh

Active Member
Location
Anglesey
Read this...

There are two wheels connected by a chain.
You apply power or energy to wheel one. It makes the chain to move. That in turns makes the second wheel to rotate. Your second wheel is connected to the rear wheel of your bike. So your rear wheel rotate and the bike move.
Now by changing the sizes of these wheels, you can make your rear wheel to rotate faster or slower.
Imagine your front wheel is the same size as rear wheel. You rotate front wheel once and rear wheel rotate once.
Rear wheel is half the size of the front wheel. So you rotate front wheel once and rear wheel moves around twice.
Size of the wheels are given by the number of tooth it has.
You can now write that in a simple formula like this.
Front divided by rear equals to gear ratio.
Multiply that by the circumference of the wheel. That is how far wheel will go.

My front wheel has 3 rings. 50-39-30
Rear has 10 rings, smallest cog 12 and largest cog 30.

That gives you 30 possible combinations or 30 gears.
Now try to work out gear ratios for each one of those possibilities.
50/30 going up to 50/12 for front ring.
39/30 to 39/12
30/12 to 30/30.
Because of frictions, you can not use the extremes, large with large 50/30 or smallest with small 34/12.
Now if you did the maths you will see that you can achieve the same ratio by using the different combinations. So in reality you do not have 30 gears to use.
Now that you understand the basic maths, next time you go riding, you can use different combinations for different purposes more effectively.
If you are still confused, feel free to ask.
My head hurt's
 

shadow master

Well-Known Member
Of course a lot of ratio talk regarding MTBs has to be rethought with the newer 27.5\29inch wheels ie triple chainset with big outer rings are a bit of a no no,The new sizes are here to stay and have already terminated the 26" stuff.another example of the manufactures strong arming the market....disc brakes on road next mark my words!
 
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