Froome and Wiggins TUEs

[Siclo]

i am not aware of the fact the narrative as changed at all.............bradley was never interviewed by the MPs so his narrative as always been the same. unless you can post up evidence of the differing narratives you speak of

The TUE was issued for a pollen allergy

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ce-team-sky-ethical-line-report-a8241186.html

For me, I’d have asthma attacks

It's only recently there's been reference to asthma, previously it was for an allergy. Now pollen allergy and asthma are closely related so in some ways it's understandable BUT the persistent inconsistencies begin to stack up. The problem is you can't legally have a TUE to prevent a condition (allergic reaction) but you can for an exiting condition, asthma.

also BC wasn't paying bradleys wages, team sky was....so again no financial gain,

ICBW but I don't think I am, at the time the funding from BC wasn't dependent on an athletes outside earnings as it is now, so yes all the athletes in the Olympic team were being part funded by BC. Incidentally BW was never paid wages, he wasn't an employee, he was a contractor.

 

[jowwy]

The TUE was issued for a pollen allergy

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ce-team-sky-ethical-line-report-a8241186.html



It's only recently there's been reference to asthma, previously it was for an allergy. Now pollen allergy and asthma are closely related so in some ways it's understandable BUT the persistent inconsistencies begin to stack up. The problem is you can't legally have a TUE to prevent a condition (allergic reaction) but you can for an exiting condition, asthma.



ICBW but I don't think I am, at the time the funding from BC wasn't dependent on an athletes outside earnings as it is now, so yes all the athletes in the Olympic team were being part funded by BC. Incidentally BW was never paid wages, he wasn't an employee, he was a contractor.

But bradley wasn't in the olympic team at the time of these TUEs he was an employee of team sky

also in that publication you attached it states for pollen and asthma......so again im not aware of any change in that stance

 

[Siclo]

at the time of these TUEs he was an employee of team sky

I reckon you're going to tell me Sir Dave was an employee of Sky at the time.

 

[jowwy]

I reckon you're going to tell me Sir Dave was an employee of Sky at the time.

we are talking Sir brad here, not mentioned Sir Dave................who Sir Dave is paid by has nothing to do with Sir Brad

LA was paid and employed by a state sponsor, therefore gained financially from it and it was the State that then done for lance, until the state got involved, lance would never have owned up...........

 

[Siclo]

we are talking Sir brad here, not mentioned Sir Dave................who Sir Dave is paid by has nothing to do with Sir Brad

LA was paid and employed by a state sponsor, therefore gained financially from it and it was the State that then done for lance, until the state got involved, lance would never have owned up...........

It's all much of a muchness. Sir Dave was a consultant, Sir Brad was a contractor, neither were employees.

LA was not employed by the state, he was a contractor to Tailwind Sports, who had a sponsorship with a state owned company.

Anyway this all a bit irrelevant, you're obviously a fan jowwy, I can understand that, I was and remain a Pantani fan.

 

[jowwy]

It's all much of a muchness. Sir Dave was a consultant, Sir Brad was a contractor, neither were employees.

LA was not employed by the state, he was a contractor to Tailwind Sports, who had a sponsorship with a state owned company.

Anyway this all a bit irrelevant, you're obviously a fan jowwy, I can understand that, I was and remain a Pantani fan.

I have always stated I am a fan

 

[mjr]

Are you saying that genetic factors do not or should not play a role in the success of a professional sportsperson?

Should not. Maybe only should not determine, rather than should not play a role, but basically should not.

What is THE POINT of sport, if sport is only allowed to have one point across all ranges of ability and participation?

To see who plays each sport best.

We could find out in a farking lab who has the biggest VO2 max or who can tolerate the strongest drugs best. It's extremely boring to see that repeatedly rehashed on the roads, mixed a bit with who's best at testing for that and who's got the biggest budget. Let's see some bike racing instead.

 

[Bollo]

Should not. Maybe only should not determine, rather than should not play a role, but basically should not.


To see who plays each sport best.

We could find out in a farking lab who has the biggest VO2 max or who can tolerate the strongest drugs best. It's extremely boring to see that repeatedly rehashed on the roads, mixed a bit with who's best at testing for that and who's got the biggest budget. Let's see some bike racing instead.

You'll not be surprised that I disagree with both answers, but this is heading off-topic and doing no one any good. I'm out.

 

[grellboy]

Cycling about to get a caning on Talksport. Matt Lawton on from 8pm.

 

[Siclo]

Froome has had a pop at Lappartient, said "yar boo sucks, I can ride so I will" and pointed out that any wins he achieves will stand, because any ban will start at the time of the verdict and will not be retrospective. So it's in his interest to drag things out. No, he didn't actually say that, he said "I’m obviously doing everything I can to get this resolved as quickly as possible". But he may have had his fingers crossed behind his back.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chr...his-concerns-in-person-not-through-the-media/

Just read that. Froome obviously thinks the days of a UCI president being able to end a rider's career are over. Be interesting to see if he's right.

If Hein's grave has a cadence sensor in it, it'll be off the scale.

 

[Maenchi]

rules versus ethics
and
legal versus image

 

[Siclo]

And I don't reckon Geraint is on Sir Brad's Christmas card list any more after

Maybe people will disagree with that but, in my eyes, if you suffer so severely from asthma or allergies that over the counter medications, or medications that don't require TUEs such as salbutamol can't control, its unfortunate but maybe your body isn't built for the rigours of professional sport

I wonder what a certain Romandie winner thinks of that.

 

[Adam4868]

And I don't reckon Geraint is on Sir Brad's Christmas card list any more after



I wonder what a certain Romandie winner thinks of that.

To be fair theres more to that interview...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/43319799

 

[smutchin]

And I don't reckon Geraint is on Sir Brad's Christmas card list any more...

In an idle moment, I did wonder if Thomas might be the anonymous source the DCMS spoke to. For the source to be credible, it has to be someone who had access behind the scenes at races, so a rider or soigneur or maybe even the chef or bus driver (though I've met one of the Team Sky bus drivers and he didn't strike me as a grass). It's also likely to be someone who is vociferously anti-doping, and Thomas certainly fits that bill. On the other hand, he's been a good mate of Wiggo for years, so would he dob him in? There have also been doubts expressed about Thomas's own purity in some quarters.

Anyway, this really is delving into the realms of speculation so I won't pursue this line of thought any further.

 

[Siclo]

To be fair theres more to that interview...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/43319799

It's a good interview, I like Geraint, I don't necessarily agree with him here but he does come across as genuine, not scripted. I do wish he'd followed through on his leave Sky thing. I reckon he could have been a top classics rider.

In an idle moment, I did wonder if Thomas might be the anonymous source the DCMS spoke to. For the source to be credible, it has to be someone who had access behind the scenes at races, so a rider or soigneur or maybe even the chef or bus driver (though I've met one of the Team Sky bus drivers and he didn't strike me as a grass). It's also likely to be someone who is vociferously anti-doping, and Thomas certainly fits that bill. On the other hand, he's been a good mate of Wiggo for years, so would he dob him in? There have also been doubts expressed about Thomas's own purity in some quarters.

Anyway, this really is delving into the realms of speculation so I won't pursue this line of thought any further.

My thought was Fabio Bartalucci, but I can't think why he'd go for anonymity.