Flu jab......are you for or against ?

[roubaixtuesday]

Think the jury is still out on this one.

What???

There is absolutely zero doubt that vaccination makes you less likely to catch covid.

It was shown very clearly in the original double blind phase 3 trials.

These are impossible, practically and ethically, to repeat for delta, but population estimates (see link above) again, very clearly and beyond any doubt, show that vaccination is effective against infection, hospitalisation and death.

 

[Landsurfer]

What???

There is absolutely zero doubt that vaccination makes you less likely to catch covid.

It was shown very clearly in the original double blind phase 3 trials.

These are impossible, practically and ethically, to repeat for delta, but population estimates (see link above) again, very clearly and beyond any doubt, show that vaccination is effective against infection, hospitalisation and death.

I do think we are agreeing with each other at different volumes.
Your right, without doubt, that the vaccination makes you less likely to catch covid.
But you can still catch it. And you can still transmit it.
So the gross benefit of the vaccine is to the individual, by reducing the effect of the virus, which is now a very minor member of the virus suite that assails us humans ..

 

[Drago]

We keep seeing in the media that the jabs, (had mine) , don’t stop you catching it or spreading it

The reduce the likelihood of the jabbed person spreading it, sometimes quite siginificantly, the amount varying with the type of jab, the illness in question, and the individual.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Your right, without doubt, that the vaccination makes you less likely to catch covid.

Thank you.

I do think we are agreeing with each other at different volumes.

I don't think we are at all actually.

There is a *huge* societal benefit from limiting transmission due to the first quoted point above. This is so large in terms of prevalence that it overrides the individual benefit; if one 80 year old were the only vaccinated person in the country, their likelihood of death would be higher than a country where everyone except them were vaccinated.

Thus vaccination is *not* just about personal benefit. Whilst there is a personal benefit, the societal benefit is actually higher.

 

[Punkawallah]

What???

There is absolutely zero doubt that vaccination makes you less likely to catch covid.

It was shown very clearly in the original double blind phase 3 trials.

These are impossible, practically and ethically, to repeat for delta, but population estimates (see link above) again, very clearly and beyond any doubt, show that vaccination is effective against infection, hospitalisation and death.

Always happy to be better informed - can you direct me to the page that says number of contacts and vitamin D levels make no difference?

 

[DRM]

Yes, I’ll be having it when summoned by the surgery, flu is the last thing I need.

 

[Landsurfer]

Thank you.


I don't think we are at all actually.

There is a *huge* societal benefit from limiting transmission due to the first quoted point above. This is so large in terms of prevalence that it overrides the individual benefit; if one 80 year old were the only vaccinated person in the country, their likelihood of death would be higher than a country where everyone except them were vaccinated.

Thus vaccination is *not* just about personal benefit. Whilst there is a personal benefit, the societal benefit is actually higher.

Until everyone has had it, the virus not the vaccine, no one is safe ??

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Always happy to be better informed - can you direct me to the page that says number of contacts and vitamin D levels make no difference?

What you claimed.

"nothing to say that the -vaccination- is what makes the difference."

is entirely false, as the phe reference clearly shows.

Speculate away about other things, but don't deny the facts.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Until everyone has had it, the virus not the vaccine, no one is safe ??

The risk will never be zero, infection or vaccination notwithstanding.

 

[Landsurfer]

The risk will never be zero, infection or vaccination notwithstanding.

It’s the risk isn’t it .... I’m at much higher risk of dying from cycling than Covid ... yet i still cycle ... lets not even discuss my motorcycle travels ...
The Grauniad ran a tongue in cheek post that said healthy under 30’s where at higher risk of death driving to the covid vaccination centre than from covid ...
But about the Flu jab ..... I don’t, but if anyone wants too they can ...it can’t do any harm ... after all it’s a long term approved vaccine ... unlike the one i’ve had for covid.

 

[kingrollo]

Yeah had covid 3 and Flu jab on Friday. No problems whatsoever.

 

[Punkawallah]

What you claimed.

"nothing to say that the -vaccination- is what makes the difference."

is entirely false, as the phe reference clearly shows.

Speculate away about other things, but don't deny the facts.

So that would be a 'no' then?

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Believe what you want .

It’s the risk isn’t it .... I’m at much higher risk of dying from cycling than Covid ... yet i still cycle ...

Whats the probability you’ve seen for those events for you? You’ll obviously have to adjust the UK cycling one for the amount you cycle.

Latest I saw was that on average you’ll see 1 cyclist fatality for every 35 million miles cycled in UK. Which means the chance of you being that fatality no matter how much you ride. Is close to zero.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

So that would be a 'no' then?

It would be "what you wrote was entirely false, and your attempt to deflect into other issues shows it"

Contrary to your claim, vaccines are robustly effective against infection, hospitalisation and death.

It's a fact. Deal with it.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I’m at much higher risk of dying from cycling than Covid

This depends on your circumstances, but is quite unlikely to be true, given that about 100 people a year die cycling, whereas 100 people a day are currently dying of covid.