Flu jab effective?

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lazybloke

Today i follow the flying spaghetti monster
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Leafy Surrey
The book we use for guidance and to check eligibility is called the Green book and this is updated every year, typically based on JCVI guidance. Specifically you want Chapters 14a and 19.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/immunisation-against-infectious-disease-the-green-book

Sometimes the interpretation is the nuance here - with words like "severe" or "chronic" this can leave the clinician needing to interpret eligibility. Asthma was a classic one a couple of years back where the belief was that anyone with asthma was eligible then they redefined this to be severe asthma but this again needed further clarity as to what constitutes severe!!
Ultimately, it is the clinician to decide on whether or not the person presenting is eligible (or not)

Just had a look. Can't actually
It's not a graph of prices.

That was the point of my comment.
Supermarkets will defend their small margins, but that hides very significant price variations, not just between the stores, but from week to week in the SAME store.
The price-massaging is insidious, especially with loyalty cards.

It's a weekly choice between shall i be fleeced for some products, or do i expend effort and time to be a savvy shopper?
 

Buck

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
This is an extract from the Green Book pre Covid. It's the only one I can find and is from 2008. Apart from the age qualifier (65=> at the time) these are the clinical risk groups deemed eligible.





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mr_cellophane

Legendary Member
Location
Essex
I've got a Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccine tomorrow. My grand-daughter (3 month old) has a mild case of it, but it can be serious
 

icowden

Veteran
Location
Surrey
Covid jabs went from life saving and essential to not even being offered. No wonder people aren’t bothering with flu ones.
It's usually because they fundamentally misunderstand the process.

Both viruses mutate so it's hard to keep up with predicting what the strain is that will do the most damage. The vast majority of the vulnerable population have now been exposed to Covid either via vaccination or from actually having it so many fewer will actually become significantly ill.

The possibilities are:-
  • You don't have the jab, you don't catch the virus
  • You don't have the jab, you do catch the virus but aren't unduly affected although you do spread it around a bit
  • You do have the jab, you don't catch the virus but you wouldn't have done anyway
  • You do have the jab, you don't catch the virus because your jabbed immune system fights it off before you notice it.
  • You do have the jab, you do catch the virus and because you had the jab you aren't as ill as you would have been.
So there are no downsides. So the next consideration is the financial cost of jabbing people vs not. The NHS tries to balance this cost by only jabbing those most in need of being jabbed. This is a two pronged attack. We jab school children and pensioners / the highly vulnerable.

Why bother with school children? Because they are super spreaders. They will share their viruses with all the other children, and then share them with granny, grandad, the elderly on the bus, and Uncle Tom Cobley and all. if we stop them having it, we stop them spreading it with their poor use of tissues etc.
 

slowmotion

Quite dreadful
Location
lost somewhere
I've been on two immunosuppressive drugs for twelve years because I had a brief bout of rheumatoid arthritis in 2012. That's qualified me for the flu jab which I've had ever since. I've never had flu in that time. Maybe that's just the placebo effect, who knows?
 
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