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Destry

New Member
Not wishing to flog a dead horse, but how can the rear wheel push anything without using energy generated by your legs? You pedal, the chainset turns that rotational energy into forward momentum. If forward momentum is then diverted back through the chainset to push your pedal through its dead spot, then that momentum is turned back into rotational energy and is not available to make you go faster. In fact, if the pedal is pushing against resistance at your foot (i.e. would go faster if your foot wasn't there), then you are braking.

The effect of all this over time is to smooth out the energy transfer, which should make you a more efficient cyclist.

Richard Ballantine's Richard's 21st Century Bicycle Book has a long, regretful section on the knee damage he suffered. There may be no scientific evidence, but equally that may be because no one has looked for it. For decades there was no evidence of a link between smoking and lung cancer, but that didn't stop smokers dying of it.

If anyone does start looking, obviously the first thing they would find is a wide variation in what knees can handle: big for one person may be easy for another. 42*21 is about 54 inches - not a big gear at all. Imagine doing the hills you did using 42*21 with a 70-inch ratio instead, say 42*16 - with no option to change down when you find you're not spinning well any more. The temptation with a fixie is to fit a ratio that won't slow you down when going downhill, but that can lead you into pushing your knees too hard on an uphill.

None of us has any evidence - we are just exchanging opnions. There is stuff on the web if you look for it - e.g. http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/1044-cyclists-knee-injuries.htm "Training factors linked with patellofemoral pain include hill training, cycling with high gears at a low cadence, and a sudden increase in training volume." But this technical stuff needs expert interpretation and I'm no expert.

This is something to think about when going fixed, that's all - especially in the stop-start environment of an urban commute.
 
And the reason that the National 2008 hill climb was won by a fixed is because??



Oh yes its better to climb with, when the bike is rolling the pedals are turning and so you travel forward and upward. Still I guess you'll soon be telling us all that had the champ ridden a free wheel he would have been quicker?? Tell you what race the hill climb next year and prove your point, al la put up or shut up. Anyone can read a book, but rather than read try doing it
 
Randochap said:
The rider of the fixed was a good hill climber?

Or perhaps, as you claim, fixed drivetrains do have some inate ability to defy gravity.:biggrin:


No my point is that if someone capable to win the National Hill Climb chooses to ride a fixed rather than a free wheel then there must be a reason behind this, especially given that someone is trying to tell us that a free wheel is faster and better than a fixed :blush:
 

Randochap

Senior hunter
HeartAttack said:
No my point is that if someone capable to win the National Hill Climb chooses to ride a fixed rather than a free wheel then there must be a reason behind this, especially given that someone is trying to tell us that a free wheel is faster and better than a fixed

Let me get this straight. Are you saying the reason the NHC champ chose fixed is because he considers it superior to other drivetrains? You spoke to him and acertained that was his reasoning? Or are you filling in the "reason" to bolster your argument here?

And I missed the part where Destry told us that a free wheel is "faster and better" than fixed -- I gathered he was just challenging the anti-gravity argument. I rather thought that was your bailiwick -- assigning magical properties to inanimate mechanisms.
 
Well as you are so clever tell me why else the NHC Champ choose a fixed then ?? No I don't know him or have met him but given that nowadays having several different bikes is no out of order and selecting the bike that gives you the best possible result means that this was the right choice for him, which by the way wasn't the first time he rode well up hill on a fixed. Maybe I suggest you have a look back at some UK hill climb results and write ups to see what type of bike is fairly prevalent amongst the faster hill riders.
 

Randochap

Senior hunter
HeartAttack said:
Well as you are so clever tell me why else the NHC Champ choose a fixed then ??

I'm neither that clever or clairvoyant; so I have no idea why they chose fixed. I'll leave that to you.

Likewise, I have no idea why people like Emily O'Brien would choose to ride PBP fixed either. Probably because they can, or believe they can and go ahead and do so. And why not? Impressive! I'm certainly not going to argue with their choice ... unless they try to tell me it's the "best" way to accomplish the goal.

The argument for fixed over geared bikes on the road -- exemplified by the newspaper flame war between Henri Desgrange and Paul de Vivie (AKA Velocio) -- was put to rest in the early 1900s., when Tour de France riders abandoned their fixed wheel bikes in favour of Velocio's derailleur.

On edit: BTW, I built my first fixed wheel bike in 1960, at the age of 8.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Hill Climb TT's - you don't have time to change gear, so picking the right ratio is where it is at. Only some of the longer climbs will someone use gears.

I did hill climbs every season, my clubmate always rode fixed, and most of the winners rode fixed. Getting the ratio right was the key.

Fixed in a hill climb, provided it is a fairly constant gradient can be better (with that extra push) - if it's got sections that are flatish, then you'll lose out.
 

Destry

New Member
Well put, Fossyant. For a few specialist rides - time trials, hill races, track racing - a fixie may be the best bet; and they make great training bikes by forcing you to pedal smoothly. But as an all-round ride for most people, a geared bike wins hands down.

Which is not to say that a good fixie rider can't go fast, corner effectively and have a lot of fun without damaging their knees... It's not for me, but hey, it's a freewheelin' world!
 

MajorMantra

Well-Known Member
Location
Edinburgh
Destry said:
Well put, Fossyant. For a few specialist rides - time trials, hill races, track racing - a fixie may be the best bet; and they make great training bikes by forcing you to pedal smoothly. But as an all-round ride for most people, a geared bike wins hands down.

Which is not to say that a good fixie rider can't go fast, corner effectively and have a lot of fun without damaging their knees... It's not for me, but hey, it's a freewheelin' world!

Group hug then?:tongue:

Matthew
 

skwerl

New Member
Location
London
Smokin Joe said:
A fixed gear is easier uphill than a freewheel because the rear wheel is pushing the cranks through the dead spot on the pedalling circle.

Big gears do not damage your knees, that is one of those internet myths with no evidence to back it up. I rode for years with a bottom gear of 42*21, as did most cyclists when you could only get five speed blocks and we are all still able to stand, walk and cycle.

Having ridden both for many years I disagree.
And where did I say big gears damage your knees?
BTW - 42*21 is not a big gear. You need to get over 70" before you can consider using the word "big"
 
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