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Tenkaykev

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So he accidentally put it in auto cruise at 30 mph. If the brakes switch had failed he could have switch off the car. I doubt the car was unable to be stopped. Something doesn't ring true about this. He rang his wife, police had conversations with engineer all whilst driving at 30

Yes, obviously not the complete story. He said the car wouldn't slow down from 30mph, then he says that when he reached a roundabout it slowed to about 15mph?
 

Tenkaykev

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MrGrumpy

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Define interesting. Looks like a typical hysterical Mail piece completely misinterpreting what has been announced by the Swiss Government.

Here's the actual story-
https://www.livemint.com/auto-news/switzerland-mulling-a-ban-on-evs-here-s-why-11670301662721.html

TLDR: "Swiss Government plans series of measures to ration gas and electricity in the event of shortfalls this coming winter"
The really draconian measures only kick in on an emergency basis if there is a severe fuel crisis.

Define severe fuel crisis ! Maybe still to come !
 

lazybloke

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A friend wanted an EV on his company car scheme, but ended up with a hybrid - supposedly because their electrical supply was already stretched by their hot tub.

Not sure I believe that - as a hot tub will largely be off overnight with the insulated cover on, and no-one will be using induction cookers or electric showers overnight.
Anyway, chargers are described as 'smart' - don't they monitor and adjust charging rates as appropriate anyway? Would be a sensiblt technology to build into chargers, if not already done.

Visiting them soon, so will find out the real reason. Probably something mundane like their best tariff wasn't available.
 
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A friend wanted an EV on his company car scheme, but ended up with a hybrid - supposedly because their electrical supply was already stretched by their hot tub.
Not sure I believe that - as a hot tub will largely be off overnight with the insulated cover on, and no-one will be using induction cookers or electric showers overnight.
Yep - that's nonsense.
An EV Charger doesn't take charge from an existing ring main. The fitter will use a vacant slot in the consumer unit or install a breakout extension (I didn't have a spare space on mine) so that it's on a dedicated circuit. The draw from the property is negotiated directly between the charger, the National Grid and the car. Even if you are drawing from a 3 pin plug, the car will adjust what it takes based on the available output from the socket without tripping the fuse box.

Anyway, chargers are described as 'smart' - don't they monitor and adjust charging rates as appropriate anyway?
Yep.
 

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CXRAndy

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Most chargers now have a CT clamp to monitor the overall demand from the house . When I set up my lads Zappi, I fitted a CT clamp hardwired on the mains tails from the outside electric meter. After setting up the maximum current demand for the rated fuse, I then set the car charging. Went up stairs turned on the 10kW shower and put the kettle on. The Zappi dropped the charging rate to below total max demand. It returned to normal charging after I switched off the shower.
 

Tenkaykev

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A Police Scotland spokesperson said: “Around 10.35pm on Sunday 1 October, we received a report of a driver unable to stop his electric car on the A803 heading towards Kirkintilloch. The car was travelling at a low speed and officers carried out a controlled halt with the aid of a police vehicle. There was no damage to either vehicle. The driver arranged for the vehicle to be recovered.”
 

lazybloke

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Yep - that's nonsense.
An EV Charger doesn't take charge from an existing ring main.
I said their supply, not a ring main, nor or any other particular circuit.

The suggestion is that their 100 amp single phase supply is too near capacity to supply the additional 30ish amps for a 7kW EV charger.

That is theoretically possible, because an induction hob range cooker (40 amps), their hot tub (32 amps) and an electric shower (30amps) together would exceed the supply already, without considering lights, other appliances and maybe a heated towel rail or underfloor heating mat, or the kids on their Playstations.

But that's a peak daytime demand scenario that is extermely unlikely to occur at night, so simple timers would avoid that overload sceanario, and some degree of smart monitoring of supply & demand would avoid any risk anyway. I assume there are smart chargers that can do this.

Edit to add - slight cross post with Andy - I was in a meeting and hadn't seen his contribution. He refers to clamp meter on the meter tails to monitor the overall supply to a house. THat's exactly the solution that would address the problem my friends report.

Even if you are drawing from a 3 pin plug, the car will adjust what it takes based on the available output from the socket without tripping the fuse box.
I suggest a car charging from 13amp sockets has absolutely ZERO idea what the "available output from the socket" might be, and just assumes 13 amps is available all the time. IT's a fairly safe assumption, as house electrics have a reasonable margin of error to cope with overloads.

To do what you suggest, you'd have to tell the car the fuse/MCB/RCBO rating, and also install clamp sensors on one or more conductors in the consumer unit for an individual circuit. V unlikely.
Unless I'm missing something. I've not done electrician work since going into IT 3 decades ago.
 
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I suggest a car charging from 13amp sockets has absolutely ZERO idea what the "available output from the socket" might be, and just assumes 13 amps is available all the time. IT's a fairly safe assumption, as house electrics have a reasonable margin of error to cope with overloads.
The App for my VW shows how much draw it takes and it varies depending on time of day and what else is being used. Plugged in to my Father In Laws shed socket it moved between 1.1kwh and 0.78kwh. It didn't just suck juice at a fixed rate.
 

BrumJim

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Most chargers now have a CT clamp to monitor the overall demand from the house . When I set up my lads Zappi, I fitted a CT clamp hardwired on the mains tails from the outside electric meter. After setting up the maximum current demand for the rated fuse, I then set the car charging. Went up stairs turned on the 10kW shower and put the kettle on. The Zappi dropped the charging rate to below total max demand. It returned to normal charging after I switched off the shower.

What about the cooker? I would have thought that would require more amps than a kettle.

Yes, my charger too is limited by the current that the cable into the house can handle. But given how long it takes to charge a car, compared to boiling a kettle for water, and having a shower, it is never going to be a problem.
 
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