Energy bill increases

[Regular.Cyclist]

Long cycles on appliances are usually significantly cheaper than short for the same cleaning power as on the long cycles items are left to soak. Your washing machine and dishwasher are not turning/heating for all 3 hours.

I have watched the smart meter monitor whilst my dishwasher is on and it looks to be very efficient on the short cycle. Not only is it short, 30 minutes, but it’s only 35 degrees, by far the lowest temperature setting on the machine. Still gets things clean too.

 

[oldwheels]

People talk about not paying, the biggest way to affect this situation is to slash use - hurts the companies as they won't get a rise in revenue.

Trouble is there is only much you can slash. I could possibly shave another couple of percent off but the increase in price negates that.
Getting a bit political perhaps but the annoying thing is that we export cheap electricity from renewables which is sold back to us at a higher price due to the increase in gas prices elsewhere.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

This in spades, there has been an odd comment as it's difficult to discuss this type of issue without bringing in the current climate, but from what I've seen that's all its been a comment & it's not been discussed nor slid into an argument

Hang on ere, whose now introducing current affairs

In all honesty I think it's okay to mention eg something that is possibly good news that people want/need to hear.

It's when comments that ascribe something posted to a particular political party that the problem arises ie when the post then morphs into a polarised debate.

 

[cougie uk]

I have watched the smart meter monitor whilst my dishwasher is on and it looks to be very efficient on the short cycle. Not only is it short, 30 minutes, but it’s only 35 degrees, by far the lowest temperature setting on the machine. Still gets things clean too.

Yes it's apparently more economic to run a decent load size in the washer than doing it manually.

Possibly more economic to let the dog lick everything clean but not sure about the health implications.

 

[fossyant]

Yes it's apparently more economic to run a decent load size in the washer than doing it manually.

Possibly more economic to let the dog lick everything clean but not sure about the health implications.

Hang on a minute, you mean a dishwasher is more efficient than me ? - must persuade the boss to 'upgrade me'.

 

[gbb]

Ours is bloody ridiculous, even on Eco it takes about 3 hours

It may depend on the make model. Ours at fast wash is 40c around 30 minutes. Eco wash is 30c for around 2.5 hours. Lower temps, longer wash to allow the detergents to work longer. It seems to work got us.

 

[gbb]

Why I don't know! younger sister 15 decided medicine at Exeter / Lancaster!

It's a lottery and some kids decelop well, some perhaps not so. Other son is British Gas engineer / Trainer well rounded, utterly sensible in everything he does. Daughter, manager of a childcare facility with around 10 staff perhaps, doesn't pay well but you have to have.lots of level 3 qualifications, she's done well knows her stuff.
Son at home just doesn't fit societies ideal model , he's different, you can't punish someone because they're different. Often thought, we're it not for us, he'd likely end up homeless such are his lacksadaisical ways. Again, whaddayado ?

 

[classic33]

Hang on a minute, you mean a dishwasher is more efficient than me ? - must persuade the boss to 'upgrade me'.

Newer model!

 

[Alex321]

So billions in profit isnt huge???

E.on made £3.7b in the first 6mths of the year

It is meaningless talking about profit in terms of absolute money. That is only used when trying to hammer big business in "news" stories.

Their net profit margin last year was 4.53%, which is a much more meaningful figure.

The latest ONS figures (from 2019) say that average net profit margin for non-financial companies was 9.3%, so their return is only half of that.

 

[jowwy]

It is meaningless talking about profit in terms of absolute money. That is only used when trying to hammer big business in "news" stories.

Their net profit margin last year was 4.53%, which is a much more meaningful figure.

The latest ONS figures (from 2019) say that average net profit margin for non-financial companies was 9.3%, so their return is only half of that.

so when they say tax the profit of energy companies, what figure are they using as profit?? 4.53% or £3.6billion??........i bet its the 3.6 billion

 

[Alex321]

so when they say tax the profit of energy companies, what figure are they using as profit?? 4.53% or £3.6billion??........i bet its the 3.6 billion

Of course, because that is the figure that makes their profit look like a lot.

Calling for any sort of "windfall tax" on the energy companies at the moment would be mendacious, since they have not suddenly made high percentage profits, nor even any large gross amounts of profits they weren't making before.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Careful please we've got to 80 pages without a spat, agree to disagree & move on.

 

[MrGrumpy]

That's just hideous.

And for businesses who don't have a cap - how can they carry on ?

It is hideous however their forecast on the variable current rate has me at £370 a month . I can manage that but I’m looking to see where I can cut my usage.
I think their quotes now are also based on the cap increasing if nothing is done. However I am going to go round and see what we can switch off in this internet connected house.
I mean the amount a month they want is a bloody mortgage payment !!!

 

[MrGrumpy]

Have you been able to stick the value of the DD where you want, not what your supplier is saying ? I've been overpaying by over £120 per month since April. We've slashed the 'use' and April rates meant we were paying £200. As of 'now' Scottish Power are indicating £600 per month as the DD for the new October Rates (I'm paying £330 and will be £500 in credit). SP wouldn't let me drop below £330 pm on line, so if I include the £400 refund I requested a few months back, I'd have been £900 in credit. Their predictions are going off previous 12 months, so if like many folk, you've cut use, they will still be looking at at least 6 months of prior high use in calculating the next 12 months.

Excluding what may happen in the next few days, I shouldn't be paying more than £400 per month at the new rates, but if SP insist on £600, I'll be on the phone as I'm in credit by a fair amount that will cover Winter - gas mainly will increase.

I’m not going to do anything with my DD, I’m waiting to see what gets announced. I’m in the black to the tune of £370 just now but it is going down now. I will see what I can do to reduce and soften the blow . The current variable rate sees me on approx £370 a month. Which is still ridiculous however manageable for now.

 

[midlife]

It is hideous however their forecast on the variable current rate has me at £370 a month . I can manage that but I’m looking to see where I can cut my usage.
I think their quotes now are also based on the cap increasing if nothing is done. However I am going to go round and see what we can switch off in this internet connected house.
I mean the amount a month they want is a bloody mortgage payment !!!

Average mortgage payment is about £750, mine is way, way above that. The mortgage payment buys a house in the end. The huge energy bill is just a huge bill for nothing very tangible.