Electric cyclist down in Bristol..

[locker]

The cyclist was not at fault.

Whether he had an electric bike or not is irrelevant safety-wise, that's like saying "you should get a less powerful car so you're travelling at a lower speed on average so if you do hit a pedestrian it's less likely to be serious". I'm sure many fit cyclists could match the speed that Taypet/locker was doing in that clip on a nice non-electric roadbike; should then, for example, Gaz refrain from doing 25-30mph at any point on his commute because "drivers don't expect" him to be going that fast?

Had he HAPPENED to have a different road position he might have been able to get round the outside. However there is no training manual that says "if you expect a driver to pull out in front of you then be aware they may immediately turn left. You should move as far to the right as possible, even if this means encroaching on a right-turn filter lane [as in the vid], when this happens to have a chance of getting round them if they do turn left." OK, maybe someone who's been in a similar situation but was a bit luckier would have thought of that and heck maybe the top road-cyclists amongst us might have been able to avoid it. However the driver literally boxed Taypet in by holding a position across both the right-turn filter lane and the lane going forward. If she had continued straight on and Taypet had tried to go round her outside he'd probably have gone in to the back of her.

The decision taypet must've been "ok I might not stop in time, do I go down the gap she's seemingly left me OR do I make a very sharp right, which might have me off and under her, and pray she moves in before I hit the back of her?"

If he was a mind reader he probably could've avoided the collision but it's unreasonable to suggest anyone can get out of that sort of situation through anything other than sheer luck

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you are right you don`t have to have an electric bike to get to a high speed, just being fit & 35 years younger than me does it.

 

[locker]

Sorry to say, I too think that the other videos would be put in evidence, if a case came to court, to try to discredit Locker's evidence, or to cast doubt whether everything was done to avoid a collision.

The sort of questioning on here would be a course of cross-examination which might be followed.

Christ! What is wrong with you lot! Bully boy tatics again! Why are some of you so far up your own backsides? Judge, Jury & firking executioners.

 

[totallyfixed]

I really wanted to add a sensible, balanced comment but I find myself at a loss to know what to say. There is just so much poor driving / cycling going on I wouldn't know where to start, I think the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right" is apt.

 

[gaz]

So the PCO can pursue criminal prosecution of a driver? If no then ...

Not to my knowledge... It is indeed a

 

[locker]

[QUOTE 1756458, member: 9609"]Maybe Gaz looks like a roadie, may be taypet looks more like me. Was the cyclist travelling up an incline. If you see a non roadie type cyclist 50m away travelling up a hill you may think you have plenty of time.

I think if you are doing anything a little out of the ordinary then you should be more aware that other road users may get a little confused. I guess the idiot woman driver glanced down the road and thought, "cyclist - I have plenty of time". I wonder if she had seen a Subaru in rally guise with it's fog lights on, would she have waited thinking he'll be going fast.
I would imagine travelling at speed on an electric powered bike will confuse other road users.
Take a look at the following video - it just looks all wrong




I think it is reasonable to expect a very poor piece of driving to be followed by another poor piece of driving. If you see an idiot keep well away from them.[/quote]

You are right it does look all wrong but it`s like anything new or not so popular but getting popular, electric bikes are here to stay & give an opportunity for some people that would like to ride a bike but have health reasons that restrict them riding a normal bike, to actually ride a bike without too many problems & enjoy cycling with the family.
They are lots of categories of cyclists & motorists & we all go through several categories in our lives i.e.17-25, over 50, 4x4, fixies, lycra louts, roadies, I think you get what I mean & one group is always going to dislike another group that`s life

 

[dawesome]

I hate foldies.

 

[jonny jeez]

The cyclist was not at fault.

Whether he had an electric bike or not is irrelevant safety-wise, that's like saying "you should get a less powerful car so you're travelling at a lower speed on average so if you do hit a pedestrian it's less likely to be serious". I'm sure many fit cyclists could match the speed that Taypet/locker was doing in that clip on a nice non-electric roadbike; should then, for example, Gaz refrain from doing 25-30mph at any point on his commute because "drivers don't expect" him to be going that fast?

Had he HAPPENED to have a different road position he might have been able to get round the outside. However there is no training manual that says "if you expect a driver to pull out in front of you then be aware they may immediately turn left. You should move as far to the right as possible, even if this means encroaching on a right-turn filter lane [as in the vid], when this happens to have a chance of getting round them if they do turn left." OK, maybe someone who's been in a similar situation but was a bit luckier would have thought of that and heck maybe the top road-cyclists amongst us might have been able to avoid it. However the driver literally boxed Taypet in by holding a position across both the right-turn filter lane and the lane going forward. If she had continued straight on and Taypet had tried to go round her outside he'd probably have gone in to the back of her.

The decision taypet must've been "ok I might not stop in time, do I go down the gap she's seemingly left me OR do I make a very sharp right, which might have me off and under her, and pray she moves in before I hit the back of her?"

If he was a mind reader he probably could've avoided the collision but it's unreasonable to suggest anyone can get out of that sort of situation through anything other than sheer luck

its not about speed hawk...its about capability, I do not believe Locker/traypet is capable of handling the speed that his bike is capable of. So to use your analogy yes I do belive you should get a less powerful car...if you cannot handle the power, otherwise you will likley kill someone.

I dont think anyone is blaming locker. as I clearly stated first the driver was totally at fault.

my point is, that locker would be better served riding a bike that does not offer such rapid acceleration and speed as his video log clearly shows he has issues keeping the speed down when appropriate.

As for your last paragraph. I simply disagree.

 

[jonny jeez]

Christ! What is wrong with you lot! Bully boy tatics again! Why are some of you so far up your own backsides? Judge, Jury & firking executioners.

I dont think there is any need for that kind of responce Locker. I dont see any bullying here, I do see riders trying to offer a candid responce in the hope that it may adjust a attitude or approach (something you suggest you are attempting to do).

Perhaps try and listen, take on the comments and adjust

...or dont adjust, its your life.

I've done down right daft things and been hauled (rightly) over the coals for it on these very pages ..I found the healthiest thing to do was "realise" that i was wrong and learn from it, rather than defending an impossible position.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, Most of us really just want to see you (and those around you) enjoy your ride.

Ride safe fella.

 

[CopperCyclist]

Nothing... Unfotunatly the Police don't want to do anything because they think the public carriage office should deal with it. The PCO think the police should deal with it.

That's an unacceptable excuse. If you had been told "It's not in the public interest" then (even though I would disagree) there's not a lot to argue about as they have the right to make that decision (as you would to appeal it).

However, saying "It's not our job" is awful. Of course it is! Did you get a crime number - and I mean a CRIME number not an incident number. If you were in fear of violence then you should have. I'd be chasing that one up saying its a criminal matter and the police need to deal and make an appropriate decision, not say its someone else's job.

Sorry for the thread hijack!

 

[fossyant]

Locker, what speed does that thing do, looks pretty rapid?

 

[EssexRider]

They are lots of categories of cyclists & motorists & we all go through several categories in our lives i.e.17-25, over 50, 4x4, fixies, lycra louts, roadies, I think you get what I mean & one group is always going to dislike another group that`s life

I hate the ones who go out of their way to film car drivers doing things wrong to report them to the local council, go be a police man or GTFO.

 

[locker]

I dont think there is any need for that kind of responce Locker. I dont see any bullying here, I do see riders trying to offer a candid responce in the hope that it may adjust a attitude or approach (something you suggest you are attempting to do).

Perhaps try and listen, take on the comments and adjust

...or dont adjust, its your life.

I've done down right daft things and been hauled (rightly) over the coals for it on these very pages ..I found the healthiest thing to do was "realise" that i was wrong and learn from it, rather than defending an impossible position.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, Most of us really just want to see you (and those around you) enjoy your ride.

Ride safe fella.

You may think you mean well but I don`t really think you can make the assumptions you are making about me without more insight of who I am but from your comment above I`m not going to argue but take in what I feel I need to take in from this forum & ignore the rest.

Thanks for your comments anyway & I`m glad that the atmosphere on this forum is certainly starting to change & my comments will reflect that change.

Change is good, thanks

 

[locker]

I hate the ones who go out of their way to film car drivers doing things wrong to report them to the local council, go be a police man or GTFO.

and I hate the ones that slip in those silly comments, can`t be constructive then GTFO.

 

[jonny jeez]

Change is good, thanks

Indeed it is.

 

[gaz]

That's an unacceptable excuse. If you had been told "It's not in the public interest" then (even though I would disagree) there's not a lot to argue about as they have the right to make that decision (as you would to appeal it).

However, saying "It's not our job" is awful. Of course it is! Did you get a crime number - and I mean a CRIME number not an incident number. If you were in fear of violence then you should have. I'd be chasing that one up saying its a criminal matter and the police need to deal and make an appropriate decision, not say its someone else's job.

Sorry for the thread hijack!

Don't worry, I know it's a joke and i'm doing what I can to try and change things, but it's not easy, especially as I lost a valuable contact in the MET who was helping me understand the system and what limits we currently had and how we can progress.