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E-scooters to be allowed on public roads
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FishFright
More wheels than sense
Like the devices needed to post on here with are full of rare earths mined in very questionable manners. It's very difficult to find high ground to stand on when it comes to being green.
Dogtrousers
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Yup. But it's also necessary not to fall into the trap of thinking that only someone who lives in a cave has any right to comment on environmental policy. It's like those daft people who say "yeah, but you own a car so you don't count" thinking it wins an argument about provision of cycling facilities.
Drago
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Well said Mr D.
However (you knew a 'however' was coming) those who shout the loudest in the name of change should be setting a better example. Flying in an airliner from New Zealand in order to join a certain anti-hydrocarbon group mucking about in London does nothing to help the cause, and is demonstrably causing people to dig their heels in.
T'was Mandela who set the example here. He figured out that blowing stuff up and generally being a tit was getting him nowhere other than prison, so he changed tack.
Tirelessly repeating his message in a moderate manner, again and again and again, setting an example through ahimsa, simply being an ever present and quietly dignified bearer of the message, and eventually that message gathered such inertia it became impossible to ignore any longer.
Sadly, despite this being trumpeted three decades ago for the success and dignity of this method the lesson has now largely been lost.
So you are right. Being part of the problem should not prevent us having an opinion on the solution.
Conversely, if we're genuinely wanting a solution we would each do our best to cease being part or the problem.
Only then by sheer moral example the pressure will be too much for the non conformers to bear. When that starts happening then real change might be seen.
However (you knew a 'however' was coming) those who shout the loudest in the name of change should be setting a better example. Flying in an airliner from New Zealand in order to join a certain anti-hydrocarbon group mucking about in London does nothing to help the cause, and is demonstrably causing people to dig their heels in.
T'was Mandela who set the example here. He figured out that blowing stuff up and generally being a tit was getting him nowhere other than prison, so he changed tack.
Tirelessly repeating his message in a moderate manner, again and again and again, setting an example through ahimsa, simply being an ever present and quietly dignified bearer of the message, and eventually that message gathered such inertia it became impossible to ignore any longer.
Sadly, despite this being trumpeted three decades ago for the success and dignity of this method the lesson has now largely been lost.
So you are right. Being part of the problem should not prevent us having an opinion on the solution.
Conversely, if we're genuinely wanting a solution we would each do our best to cease being part or the problem.
Only then by sheer moral example the pressure will be too much for the non conformers to bear. When that starts happening then real change might be seen.
Dogtrousers
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Drago
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You're safe Mr D. I'm a Pringles man.
cyberknight
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I dont own a packet of crisps 
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captain nemo1701
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He'll be fine
Most I see on escooters are either too young to own or drive a car anyway, so probably not taking cars off the road. However, its filling up the pavements with people who think zooming about on jumped-up kids toys at 20mph is better than walking. I think we should be encouraging walking & cycling for health benefits rather than saying to the upcoming generation that these things are too hard, so jump on an escooter. Its just unravelling many local authorities 'active transport' policies.
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Drago
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All uphill
Still rolling along
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Drago
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That's very deep and thoughtful @Drago
Sorry, not feeling my normal self today.
cyberknight
As long as I breathe, I attack.
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You wouldn't for long if I came to visit!
cant have crisps in the house with mini ck 1 diet for kidney failure , she would eat them like you
, we even have to soak potatoes overnight to remove pottasium along with lots of other no go foods
Drago
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Savoury snacks are like kryptonite to my waistline so we don't have them in the house in flavours that I would eat.
Sorry to hear about Mini CK1. I hope the outlook is cheerful.
Sorry to hear about Mini CK1. I hope the outlook is cheerful.
lazybloke
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200g of phone : not as 'full of rare earths' as a hover board, escooter or ebike. And evs are on another level entirely.
The environmental impact of each application varies mahoosively ; using a phone is hardly comparable to other things.
A new clean battery chemistry is desperately needed for the car industry but will benefit many applications.
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