I'm afraid I'm hugely bored by your fetishization of the Netherlands, as well as your aggression. We had to send @Delftse Post out there from Amazingstoke to make it cooler.
Are you hoping for this kind of thing? Because I find it utterly grotesque.
dumbass LCC bike lane on Stratford High Street
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Are you hoping for this kind of thing? Because I find it utterly grotesque.
isn't this the video that some plank put up in order to impress us? And got pretty shirty when we described it as a vision of hell?
edit. I've just watched it through again. it's utterly, utterly horrible. Remind me - where is this?
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StuAff
Silencing his legs regularly
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Paradise for bimblers. Hell for everyone else.
knocksofbeggarmen
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Because
1. You will only get political support for this kind of legislation if the vast majority of people cycle as a normal daily part of transport.
And because
2. The legislation didn't actually do any of the things you claimed for it. It didn't reduce injuries or change behaviour. Both those good things were done by the infra put in earlier.
knocksofbeggarmen
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You've just selected a vid of the Dutch equivalent, not of Soho, but of the Hanger Lane Gyratory. So what you are saying is that their version is hell and our version is a fun thing to look at while you wile away the hours, conversin with the flowers. Well yes I suppose so, if you are making for M4 junction 6 on your audax bike.
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In paradise, apparently. They've put one of these things straight through the middle of Port Talbot (as if it hasn't got enough to deal with). There's no cycle lane, of course, but it wouldn't be any less horrific if they put one in.
knocksofbeggarmen
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I will control my laughter. I know it upsets you. And at this point my dominant emotion is compassion.
Look, I want presumed liability too. But a good way of getting that is to have Mass Cycling, and that requires Dutch style infra.
StuAff
Silencing his legs regularly
- Location
- Portsmouth
There is however the usual crock of **** shared path with sudden pointless diversions etc.
Anecdotal evience time again, but I've had more "get in the cycle lane" abuse from drivers when there was a cycle lane than when there wasn't. And the "force them in the cycle lane" politicians would I suspect get rather more support if the cycle lane in question was a large-scale civil engineering works instead of a crappy bit of green paint.
But that aside, if the idea here is to remove one lane previously available to anyone able to keep up with the traffic, and replace it with slightly less than half a lane in which the presence of Boris Wobblers will make it impossible to maintain keep-up-with-the-traffic pace, then you can expect a certain segment of current cyclists will be upset by the proposal even before we start talking about the effects it might have on attitudes of non-cyclists
same here. In Milton Keynes. Which, despite what the LCC bod is telling us, is almost devoid of cyclists. In fact, on six visits to MK this year, most of those visits spread over two days, and involving visits to 23C in Stony Stratford, we saw less than a dozen people riding bikes, And two of those were on the A5.
Still and all, what they do in Milton Keynes is up to Milton Keynes. Says the man drawing a six storey hotel covered in CorTen steel heading for the Theatre District............
knocksofbeggarmen
Active Member
Oh come on. Vision is seeing things. Seeing things that are not there- that's fantasy.
StuAff
Silencing his legs regularly
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- Portsmouth
And the same here, on Southsea and Brighton seafronts. Even when my speed & the number of pedestrians meant being on the road was clearly more appropriate.
knocksofbeggarmen
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"Me missus and I went to Blackpool- never saw the sea. We saw one bucket of sand, and that was in the Bingo."
knocksofbeggarmen
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My lack of ability to see other ways is demonstrated to you in the fact that I consider 80 years of trying the same thing and going backwards a failure?
well, that sums you up, doesn't it?
What do you think that you contribute to cycling? In a personal way?
