Quite. And a default 20mph limit. And presumed liability.
dumbass LCC bike lane on Stratford High Street
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deptfordmarmoset
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What the hell, I'd add fit for public roads construction vehicles to the list and let them build segregated routes for cyclists under the strict (enforced) condition that vehicular cyclists are allowed on any farking road without twattery.
who was who e-mailed the LCC, got a foolish reply and cancelled his subscription?
Which reminds me, I really must send my LCC award back.
knocksofbeggarmen
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It fires all the apoplexy neurons at once. Not merely do the facts about NL refute every bit of nonsense spewed here, but there is dammit National Pride at stake- for if a man can't take pride in his Nation's hard-campaigned-for commitment to killing off a few newbie cyclists and keeping the roads free for busses, what has he got?
deptfordmarmoset
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- Armonmy Way
The more the merrier!
knocksofbeggarmen
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So so many possible distractions. Do you even know what decade the NL introduced 'presumed liabilty'?
So, after pretending that there was some kind of ban on mentioning the Netherlands, you admit that you were talking nonsense and that you have been banging on about the Netherlands for nearly 40 pages. That's good then. But I can be forgiven for describing it as an obsession.
knocksofbeggarmen
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You absolutely refuse to play the ball- which is why there is nothing left but to chuckle at you.
knocksofbeggarmen
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So, your neighbouring country has a revolution the upshot of which is safe mass cycling, and TWO DECADES LATER introduces perfectly sensible presumed liability legislation with no discernible impact on cycling rates or injuries. Obviously it's the 1990's you want to copy.
knocksofbeggarmen
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To be clear I'm pro presumed liability. But your idea of anything-but-segregation starts to attribute causal powers to these other measures in excess of any serious consideration of evidence. One reason the political system and justice system word for cyclists in the NL is that everybody cycles. Why does everyone cycle? Not because of the justice system, given that that only caught up with the political and infra changes twenty years later.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
No, but I often ride a bike along one (and into one from the adjacent lane). Better than a square kerb. Suitable when motorists are unlikely to enter.
knocksofbeggarmen
Active Member
Actually I was doing breaststroke.
To be clear I'm pro presumed liability. But your idea of anything-but-segregation starts to attribute causal powers to these other measures in excess of any serious consideration of evidence. One reason the political system and justice system word for cyclists in the NL is that everybody cycles. Why does everyone cycle? Not because of the justice system, given that that only caught up with the political and infra changes twenty years later.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
If a foolish message meant it wasn't worth talking to the organisation ever again, it would be very quiet on here.
knocksofbeggarmen
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Winston, you are drunk, etc.
knocksofbeggarmen
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Ho ho ho. And when the order of events is telling you that you have completely the wrong idea about what the *effective* bits were, that does not trouble you in the slightest.
