Driver tries to kill cyclist, hits building.

[Ganymede]

It can't be much else.

To prove attempted murder, the Crown would have to convince a jury the woman wanted to kill the cyclist.

We don't know the circumstances, but if she ran him over once and stopped, she's not - beyond reasonable doubt - trying to kill him - why not reverse and have another go?

However, anyone who deliberately drives a car into a cyclist - even if 'only' once - is almost certainly trying to injure the cyclist.

I think vickster means it can be "attempted" GBH if she did actually harm him - it's just "GBH".

 

[vickster]

It can't be much else.

To prove attempted murder, the Crown would have to convince a jury the woman wanted to kill the cyclist.

We don't know the circumstances, but if she ran him over once and stopped, she's not - beyond reasonable doubt - trying to kill him - why not reverse and have another go?

However, anyone who deliberately drives a car into a cyclist - even if 'only' once - is almost certainly trying to injure the cyclist.

It was more the attempted Gbh rather than actual Gbh I was querying

 

[PK99]

I think vickster means it can be "attempted" GBH if she did actually harm him - it's just "GBH".

Gbh depends on the actual injury. If that was minor, a gbh charge would fail.

 

[.stu]

Gbh depends on the actual injury. If that was minor, a gbh charge would fail.

Which is why it is "attempted gbh". The police obviously believe the driver attempted to injure the cyclist using their car as a weapon, which would likely result in serious injury, just the same as attempting to stab someone with a kitchen knife. Just because she failed, doesn't mean she didn't try!

 

[spen666]

http://road.cc/content/news/120748-...-missed-and-crashed-hair-salon#comment-262197

Got to be attempted murder, whatever the provocation.

Why? Where is the evidence of the intent to kill?


It is a serious matter and one which hopefully will be dealt with severely (if driver is guilty of an offence), but to call it attempted murder on basis of what is in story or to suggest driver tried to kill is helping no one

 

[jarlrmai]

It's an interesting question, if I attempt to harm you in way which is very likely to result in your death, but at that time my mental state is not decided on if I want to kill or just injure you i.e. I am just in an uncontrollable rage. Is it attempted murder or not?

 

[Ganymede]

Which is why it is "attempted gbh". The police obviously believe the driver attempted to injure the cyclist using their car as a weapon, which would likely result in serious injury, just the same as attempting to stab someone with a kitchen knife. Just because she failed, doesn't mean she didn't try!

Yes I see - I found the definitions on the CPS website and the injury has to be much worse for GBH:

"Grievous bodily harm means really serious bodily harm. It is for the jury to decide whether the harm is really serious. However, examples of what would usually amount to really serious harm include:

• injury resulting in permanent disability, loss of sensory function or visible disfigurement;
• broken or displaced limbs or bones, including fractured skull, compound fractures, broken cheek bone, jaw, ribs, etc;
  injuries which cause substantial loss of blood, usually necessitating a transfusion or result in lengthy treatment or incapacity;
• serious psychiatric injury. As with assault occasioning actual bodily harm, appropriate expert evidence is essential to prove the injury"

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/offences_against_the_person/#a15

 

[glenn forger]

The cyclist was at fault for not being a police officer.

 

[BSRU]

Apparently the driver was not alone in the car, she had her kids with her.

 

[4F]

The standard article seems to suggest she had children in the car as well:-

Angela Bulbeck, who has owned The Park Salon for 17 years and worked there since she was a teenager, said she spoke to the motorist shortly after the crash.
She said: "She kept saying repeatedly that she was sorry. I just said it didn't matter if there was no loss of life. We are just hoping she is insured. She drives a very fancy car. I think that is what saved her children's' lives."

Beaten to it by BRSU....

 

[Ganymede]

The standard article seems to suggest she had children in the car as well:-

Angela Bulbeck, who has owned The Park Salon for 17 years and worked there since she was a teenager, said she spoke to the motorist shortly after the crash.
She said: "She kept saying repeatedly that she was sorry. I just said it didn't matter if there was no loss of life. We are just hoping she is insured. She drives a very fancy car. I think that is what saved her children's' lives."

Beaten to it by BRSU....

WTFFFFFFF?

 

[BSRU]

The standard article seems to suggest she had children in the car as well:-

Angela Bulbeck, who has owned The Park Salon for 17 years and worked there since she was a teenager, said she spoke to the motorist shortly after the crash.
She said: "She kept saying repeatedly that she was sorry. I just said it didn't matter if there was no loss of life. We are just hoping she is insured. She drives a very fancy car. I think that is what saved her children's' lives."

Beaten to it by BRSU....

Five children in the car.

 

[jarlrmai]

She drove her car at a cyclist when she has her 5 children in it? She needs help.

 

[Profpointy]

There's a good argument for treating it (deliberately targeting someone with a car) more like arson, than as minor traffic offense. Even when people are injured, the motorist usually gets let off. And if they are killed, then the suicide-death-swerve defence works pretty well

 

[MattE72]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...cked-off-bike-in-road-rage-crash-9511055.html

Motorist arrested on suspicion of attempted grievous bodily harm after 'autistic' cyclist is knocked off bike in 'road rage' crash

It says in the article that she had children in the car! As she wasn't a big enough t*** already!!