Doubling Up On Road

[deptfordmarmoset]

Not just jackbooted cycling militants, SPD jackbooted cycling militants, I'll have you know!

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Quiet but not quite silenced - however im sure the jackbooted cycling militants will not stop with their relentless attempts to derail sensible discussion and questioning their extremist procycling agenda until every last dissenting voice is silenced and their militant opinion is the only one that dares raise its voice.

Does Godwin's law apply on moderated forums

 

[Poacher]

I still think Dellzeqq's estimate of 2000 posts by midnight tonight was wildly optimistic.
We'll be lucky to top 1200 at this rate.

 

[montyboy]

"Single out if necessary when it's safe for motor vehicles to overtake"

Pehaps one of the issues with this statement is that it assumes that the cyclist knows better when it is safe to overtake. Maybe the driver following who knows the characteristics of the vehicle he is driving has a better knowlege of when it would be safe to overtake.

 

[MrHappyCyclist]

Maybe the driver following who knows the characteristics of the vehicle he is driving has a better knowlege of when it would be safe to overtake.

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]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0VEVVtaBDI[/media]

Listen to what the narrator is saying. This is undoubtedly true and applies to the decision to overtake just as much as it does to the decision on how close to pass.

 

[theclaud]

"Single out if necessary when it's safe for motor vehicles to overtake"

Pehaps one of the issues with this statement is that it assumes that the cyclist knows better when it is safe to overtake. Maybe the driver following who knows the characteristics of the vehicle he is driving has a better knowlege of when it would be safe to overtake.

Indeed he does. It's the cyclist's call. And the driver is not obliged to overtake just because the cyclist allows the opportunity.

 

[montyboy]

Indeed he does. It's the cyclist's call. And the driver is not obliged to overtake just because the cyclist allows the opportunity.

And this is where you are wrong.

The cyclist is free to maintain his speed and position but it is the always the driver that has to decide when it is safe to overtake.

 

[theclaud]

And this is where you are wrong.

The cyclist is free to maintain his speed and position but it is the always the driver that has to decide when it is safe to overtake.

You misunderstand me. The cyclist is not deciding when it is safe for the driver to overtake, but when a possible overtaking manoeuvre could compromise his (the cyclist's) safety, and vetoing the overtake on those grounds. As long as the cyclist is happy that an overtake would not endanger him, the driver is free to decide to overtake or not.

 

[snorri]

the driver that has to decide

Some drivers have a problem with this but cyclists can assist the decision making process by assertive road positioning. This was covered way back in the thread.

 

[montyboy]

You misunderstand me. The cyclist is not deciding when it is safe for the driver to overtake, but when a possible overtaking manoeuvre could compromise his (the cyclist's) safety, and vetoing the overtake on those grounds. As long as the cyclist is happy that an overtake would not endanger him, the driver is free to decide to overtake or not.

I am still not sure on this one.

As the cyclist does not know the size, characteristics and space/time required for the vehicle following to make the manouvre I dont believe that they are in a position to make that decison.

I think that it is very dangerous for any road user to veto the movements of a following road user and this is the cause of much unpleasantness.

 

[montyboy]

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See my post above. A cyclist is able under some circumstances to control whether the following car can pass. This is outside of the driver's control.
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Indeed they are and this can lead to confrontation.

 

[theclaud]

I am still not sure on this one.

As the cyclist does not know the size, characteristics and space/time required for the vehicle following to make the manouvre I dont believe that they are in a position to make that decison.

I think that it is very dangerous for any road user to veto the movements of a following road user and this is the cause of much unpleasantness.

That much is clear...

 

[montyboy]

Some drivers have a problem with this but cyclists can assist the decision making process by assertive road positioning. This was covered way back in the thread.

perhaps there is a subtle difference between aiding a decision which is usually appreciated rather than presenting a veto.

 

[montyboy]

That much is clear...

That was my polite way of telling you I thought that you were wrong.

 

[briantrumpet]

You are looking at this the wrong way around. When riding a bike it is often necessary to tell a driver that it is currently unsafe for them to overtake because, amazingly enough, they are frequently incapable of seeing this unaided.

And to add that the cyclist has the odds stacked against him should the driver make a poor judgement, and therefore should be given an active part in the decision about safety (in the humble opinion of one who would rather not be splatted on the road).

Damn, I was trying to avoid making a sensible point. Ho hum.