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A summary from inrng
http://inrng.com/2016/08/armitstead-whereabouts-ukad-british-cycling/
http://inrng.com/2016/08/armitstead-whereabouts-ukad-british-cycling/
Doping git thread
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UKAD have said that Armitstead did not request review of either of the first two whereabouts failures.
The thing is that if you're listed on the Adams doodah as being available from 6am to 7 am, then you have no right to have your phone on silent. It should also be a priority that you inform hotel staff that you wish to be woken if a tester arrives.
It's really no excuse to say my phone was on silent. The tester apparently tried to gain access to the room but was refused, he tried phoning her with no answer and was deemed to not have tried hard enough.
What should have done - climbed a drainpipe?
Thrown gravel at the window?
She has been very lucky to get away with it IMHO
It's really no excuse to say my phone was on silent. The tester apparently tried to gain access to the room but was refused, he tried phoning her with no answer and was deemed to not have tried hard enough.
What should have done - climbed a drainpipe?
Thrown gravel at the window?
She has been very lucky to get away with it IMHO
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The Daily Mail article quoted by inmg says: "Sportsmail understands the testing official did not explain to hotel staff why he wanted to know Armitstead’s room number."
Which, if true, certainly suggests he could have done more.
Agree. I imagine it's very easy to miss a single test, which is why it takes three for any sanction. If you've had two in the year already, I can't imagine being in any other mental state than completely OCD about it.
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I spotted in twitterland that John Armitstead (her dad) had tweeted saying she has had 16 tests this year, all of them clean - and Michael Rasmussen replied saying " Since when has clean tests been a proof of clean athletes. Must be resently. Very resent." 
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And Ben Rumsby (Sports chap with the Torygraph) claims that in the last 12 months 36 UKAD-registered athletes missed one test, and six missed two. He's not provided names.
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How common are missed tests? A statement from a different context
http://www.skysports.com/more-sport...tests-very-rare-say-ukad-on-farah-allegations
In the context of Mo Farah ... UK Anti-Doping’s chief has told Sky Sports News HQ that it is “very rare” but “not unheard of” for an athlete to miss a drugs test, amid newspaper allegations against Mo Farah.
http://www.skysports.com/more-sport...tests-very-rare-say-ukad-on-farah-allegations
In the context of Mo Farah ... UK Anti-Doping’s chief has told Sky Sports News HQ that it is “very rare” but “not unheard of” for an athlete to miss a drugs test, amid newspaper allegations against Mo Farah.
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After first reading about this over breakfast, I couldn't help but remember in (IIRC) Tyler Hamiltons book when he talks about hiding from doping authorities when when they knocked on his door because he knew of glow times.
I'm not saying she should be in the same pot as Hamilton, but things should have been planned for better to say the least
I'm not saying she should be in the same pot as Hamilton, but things should have been planned for better to say the least
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What, like said "please could you let your guest know that I am a drug tester and she should hide any drugs/blood bag fridge/identical twin in the time it takes me to get to her room in order to get a nice big blackmail-level tip"?
Maybe the tester should have contacted the DS or race direction (one of whom presumably booked the hotel) and got them to instruct the hotel to show them up?
I wouldn't hold not giving a reason against the tester, but it seems surprising that they don't give athletes a standard card to hand to hotel staff at check-in saying "I am a professional athlete subject to random testing. If anyone showing this sort of card [PICTURE] asks to visit me, please allow them to do so without further question." This isn't the first hotel which has refused to allow them to contact a guest.
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Or even just a quick "Listen I am subject to dope testing and have put down that I'll be here between 6am and 7am so if anyone pops in looking for me can you let them know what room I'm in, maybe get some ID from them first just in case they are international assassins..."What, like said "please could you let your guest know that I am a drug tester and she should hide any drugs/blood bag fridge/identical twin in the time it takes me to get to her room in order to get a nice big blackmail-level tip"?
Maybe the tester should have contacted the DS or race direction (one of whom presumably booked the hotel) and got them to instruct the hotel to show them up?
I wouldn't hold not giving a reason against the tester, but it seems surprising that they don't give athletes a standard card to hand to hotel staff at check-in saying "I am a professional athlete subject to random testing. If anyone showing this sort of card [PICTURE] asks to visit me, please allow them to do so without further question." This isn't the first hotel which has refused to allow them to contact a guest.
They could even throw in further mirth to the conversation by calling the dope control peeps "vampires" and making a "fang face" impression, possibly using a strange eastern European accent...
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She could have been staying in a hotel on her own, nothing to do with cycling. And her manager/agent wouldn't have been around or, indeed, been able to phone her if her phone was on silent anyway.
Perhaps the manger has his phone on silent too, so he doesn't get an interrupted sleep at 6 am.
"They have to put in a bit of effort to locate people",
They did locate her - she was asleep upstairs. Not answering her phone.
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Cycling news: More questions than answers in Armitstead case
That's the bit I do not understand. Presumably this was an out of competition blood test for the passport. The athlete picks the 1 hour slot. so if you regularly want to sleep beyond 6 am then pick a slightly later one. Like many riders my lad has 7 am-8 am to avoid the issue you raise, as he is usually getting up for breakfast then, irrespective of whether he is at home or travelling. Selecting a time that causes you to become less easily contactable because you have to turn off your phone does not seem to make sense. Whilst it may not contravene the regs it is not helpful.
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Nicole Cooke is not impressed http://nicolecooke.com/news/
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A more permanent link might be http://nicolecooke.com/my-views-on-lizzie-armitstead-missing-3-out-of-competition-drugs-tests/ but despite the title and a generally negative tone towards athletes missing tests, it doesn't look to me like she gives her views on Lizzie Armitstead's case in particular.