Doping git thread

[mjr]

Is it me or is Lemond beginning to sound a bit batshit crazy

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/greg-lemond-miracles-in-cycling-still-dont-exist/

Nah. He's a product of his experiences and he was treated badly for a long time. It's worth considering what he says, but remember he's human and won't be correct every time. I wonder if he said more about Sky that hasn't made the translation or maybe hasn't made the published source article. Some of what Sky have been doing seems obviously beneficial in hindsight, like the "laundrobus" that washes rider kits and bedding individually to reduce the risk of illness sweeping through their team like it does so many Tour teams.

Who's that Frederick Portoleau he mentions? Web searching wasn't enlightening.

 

[mjr]

I'm suspecting that there's some poor translation going on here, as there are some pretty weird phrases like "you could only use them for an instant and be devilishly dragged long".

Source article is http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Article/Greg-lemond-rien-de-pire-que-le-doute/707526 but behind a "€4 for 10 articles" paywall, so who knows?

 

[Dogtrousers]

Source article is http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Article/Greg-lemond-rien-de-pire-que-le-doute/707526 but behind a "€4 for 10 articles" paywall, so who knows?

Even if I did pay my €4, my French is so bad that the resultant translation would be even weirder.

 

[Big Dave laaa]

Even if I did pay my €4, my French is so bad that the resultant translation would be even weirder.

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Mange tout Dogtrousers mange tout

 

[smutchin]

This is the bit that troubles me:
"The great physiologist Frederick Portoleau showed that when Froome accelerates hard, his heart only shows small variations. This is troubling. What bothers me is hearing some technicians say it's science fiction, which is a kind of misinformation. Others make us believe they are ahead of the best scientists, the famous Team Sky marginal gains! What bollocks! There are no new methodologies. That is wrong. In this area too, miracles do not exist."

Something has clearly been lost in translation - do Americans even use the word 'bollocks'?

Based on other things he's said in the past, my interpretation is that he's saying what Sky are doing is nothing new (which is true - LeMond arguably invented 'marginal gains' back in the 80s), and that other teams who talk of 'science fiction' in Sky's approach are the ones talking bollocks - showing their own lack of understanding of the science.

 

[Dogtrousers]

I think the translation of "bollocks" was probably from "conneries" or some such. What I concluded after trying to interpret it was the idea that "marginal gains" was a brand new approach that no-one had thought of before was bollocks. ie "There are no new methodologies".

I didn't have a clue about the "science fiction" bit.

But even when GL speaks English he can ramble on a bit. Throw in a bit of heavy handed/automatic translation and you can be devilishly dragged long.

 

[smutchin]

What I concluded after trying to interpret it was the idea that "marginal gains" was a brand new approach that no-one had thought of before was bollocks. ie "There are no new methodologies".

Exactly.

It's not hard to detect the editorial agenda behind the way L'Equipe have presented the piece.

 

[rich p]

Whatever, he is as boring as fark on Eurosport. I fast forward his 'in-race' interjections these days whenever possible.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

My apologies for giving that nobber cheat Armstrong more internetweb space, but what kind of f*cktard is his "biographer" *
http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/07/commentary/armstrong-biographer-still-doesnt-get_415477

* a monumental one

 

[RoubaixCube]

Speaking of doping gits...Russia's olympic track and field team.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Speaking of doping gits...Russia's olympic track and field team.

Indeed
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/doping-in-other-sports.121987/post-4376854

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Pro Continental for Manolo Saiz?

http://elpeloton.net/2016/07/manolo...ilidad-alta-aldro-pase-continental-ano-viene/

 

[psmiffy]

Pro Continental for Manolo Saiz?

http://elpeloton.net/2016/07/manolo...ilidad-alta-aldro-pase-continental-ano-viene/

Even the team Boss is on it

I hallucinated in this Vuelta a Leon

- presumably not the performance enhancing stuff though

 

[Stonechat]

Zakarin pulled from Rio

 

[HF2300]

Zakarin pulled from Rio

Bound to happen, he's had a doping ban. Supposedly Zakarin, Zabelinskaya, Shilov withdrawn by the Russian Olympic Committee, Sokolov and Sveshnikov barred by the UCI, one other likely to be barred.