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Arrowfoot

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Marmion said:
Aye, no worries.

Dinnae think you'll get much response re your position tho, as @rich p pointed out it's been done to death and you are probably one of a small band of people that thinks there was "no evidence" - good luck with that one!
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After his mates spilled the beans. I asked what "circumstantial evidence" prior to that. He could not offer and I gather neither can you. I am afaid semantics would not help either. Credit though for helping him by not posting his interesting comment on the other thread.
 
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rich p

rich p

ridiculous old lush
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Arrowfoot said:
He could not offer and I gather neither can you
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I could, as could many others, but we've been and done it too many times. Just google it if you're new to this topic.
 
mjr

mjr

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Oh well, I've not had a go: it looks like David Walsh's accusations and circumstantial evidence was published by the Sunday Times in 2001 under the headline "Champ or cheat?" - before the book with Emma O'Reilley's interview in 2003. Not sure you can count her as Lance's friend either?
 
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Pro Tour Punditry

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Arrowfoot said:
After his mates spilled the beans. I asked what "circumstantial evidence" prior to that. He could not offer and I gather neither can you. I am afaid semantics would not help either. Credit though for helping him by not posting his interesting comment on the other thread.
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When you were a younger person, perhaps aged 7 or 8, and went to a party. You were a bit late, they'd already played pass the parcel, all the wrapping paper was off, all had been revealed. You were a bit miffed to have missed all the fun, but decided you'd look a bit silly if you badly re-wrapped the present and then had everyone else unwrap it again. And you knew nobody would play and would wander off, leaving you on your on your own.

This is similar.
 
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oldroadman

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BrumJim said:
Gigi Cifarelli banned for four years due to taking PEDs.

Heard of him? Probably not. Unless you are into your Italian Jazz guitarists in a big way.
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A 60 year old, charging, is he mad? It can only be ego satisfaction, surely. Just simply crazy, the worry is he may have been riding for many years and getting away with it, and if he raced, stealing other people's placings/prizes.
 
Dogtrousers

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
oldroadman said:
A 60 year old, charging, is he mad? It can only be ego satisfaction, surely. Just simply crazy, the worry is he may have been riding for many years and getting away with it, and if he raced, stealing other people's placings/prizes.
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My first thought was that maybe he'd tested positive for something recreational, which would kind of fit the jazz musician stereotype ... but no the article definitely says "performance enhancing".

What an odd story.
 
ColinJ

ColinJ

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Cheats don't just cheat for the money. I have even heard of people fiddling audax and sportive rides - how sad is that!

I can't quite see what satisfaction they get from doing it. Presumably they see it as competing to be the best cheat rather than the best athlete! :laugh:
 
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oldroadman

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ColinJ said:
Cheats don't just cheat for the money. I have even heard of people fiddling audax and sportive rides - how sad is that!

I can't quite see what satisfaction they get from doing it. Presumably they see it as competing to be the best cheat rather than the best athlete! :laugh:
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It's a bit sad really. On the up side, it shows what a broad spectrum of personalities the sport has (I would just rather the spectrum was not quite so broad it stretched into the gutter!). All that said it's heartening that 99%+ of people I've met are OK and just want to do the right thing.
 
deptfordmarmoset

deptfordmarmoset

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Dogtrousers said:
My first thought was that maybe he'd tested positive for something recreational, which would kind of fit the jazz musician stereotype ... but no the article definitely says "performance enhancing".

What an odd story.
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If the Musicians' Union tested for performance enhancing drugs they'd lose a fair share of members....:whistle:
 
Postmanhat

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Derby
Arrowfoot said:
Paula on the other hand is behaving rather odd and it is not doing her any good. Her rhetoric on doping when she was competing and now is very different. She is now giving interviews on who she feels is guilty and who is not. In essence its damaging her. People who have been with her for decades and now wondering what is going on. She is certainly badly advised about her PR approach and this is where the LA approach to PR is similar.
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She did hold up that banner saying "EPO CHEATS OUT" in Edmonton 2001, while one of the Russian dopers was competing. Hardly backwards in coming forwards with her opinions on the matter.
 
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