Doping git thread

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Not going to dispute that the bio passport is not full-proof, but would such a short trial show that the bio passport does not work? Surely the bio passport is about long term analysis of any changes?

 

[psmiffy]

Is it really news? I'm sure it's been known for a long time that the bio passport is less than perfect, that it doesn't make getting away with doping impossible, just a lot more difficult.

And if it is possible to beat the passport, that just goes to prove that those who are caught by it are even more stupid than we realised.

Not exactly as Mr @smutchin points out a radical expose.

As part of a study carried out by Pierre Sallet of the Athletes for Transparency organisation with the blessing of the World Anti-Doping Agency, eight athletes were doped under supervision for a period of 29 days.

But goes to show that the anti-dopers are beavering away behind the scenes to try to assess and plug the gaps in the Biological Passport Scheme - which is as @Marmion stated is in an obvious sort of way is a long term way of attacking the problem

Not going to dispute that the bio passport is not full-proof, but would such a short trial show that the bio passport does not work? Surely the bio passport is about long term analysis of any changes?

I think the point of the TV France thing is that - yes - significant physical benefits can be had in the short term and don't show up in the blood work immediately - be interesting to see though if micro dosing shows up as an anomaly in the blood work in the long term - Maybe all race organisers should have a disclaimer that all results are provisional for two years

 

[raindog]

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Jimmi Briceno gets a 2 year ban (eventually) after positive for EPO in 2014's Vuelta al Táchira
http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/82/04/20150505SanctionsADRVEN2.0_English.pdf

 

[HF2300]

...and starting now, not from the ADRV date.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

The UCI publishes the Licence Commission’s reasoned decision concerning Astana: Licence Commission says if they'd known about internal problems relating to management culture, staff qualifications, and poor rider support at Astana in August 2014 it's likely team wouldn't have got licence for 2015...but it would have been disproportionate to remove licence once granted
http://www.uci.ch/pressreleases/the...reasoned-decision-concerning-astana-pro-team/

 

[StuAff]

Not exactly as Mr @smutchin points out a radical expose.



But goes to show that the anti-dopers are beavering away behind the scenes to try to assess and plug the gaps in the Biological Passport Scheme - which is as @Marmion stated is in an obvious sort of way is a long term way of attacking the problem



I think the point of the TV France thing is that - yes - significant physical benefits can be had in the short term and don't show up in the blood work immediately - be interesting to see though if micro dosing shows up as an anomaly in the blood work in the long term - Maybe all race organisers should have a disclaimer that all results are provisional for two years

^This. The ABP scheme has big holes in it, though no-one pretends it's The Answer to doping, it's part of the answer (and unfortunately, dopers will always take advantage of any and all loopholes). There is already a review underway of the scheme following the Independent Reform Commission's report, which recommended multiple changes, including night-time testing. Micro-dosing is a problem that they'll seek to address.

 

[SWSteve]

The UCI publishes the Licence Commission’s reasoned decision concerning Astana: Licence Commission says if they'd known about internal problems relating to management culture, staff qualifications, and poor rider support at Astana in August 2014 it's likely team wouldn't have got licence for 2015...but it would have been disproportionate to remove licence once granted
http://www.uci.ch/pressreleases/the...reasoned-decision-concerning-astana-pro-team/

That would imply no licence for 2016, but let's wait and see

 

[The Couch]

Meeusen was acquitted today
The indirect evidence was sold as very flimsy by the defense and the court apparently agreed to this.

(With this as precedent, can't see Van Avermaet getting another result)

And what was to be expected has happened, Van Avermaet has been found not guilty. The commission decided there was no evidence

 

[rich p]

And what was to be expected has happened, Van Avermaet has been found not guilty. The commission decided there was no evidence

It doesn't add up to me though. He visits a dodgy doctor.
Allegedly , he's prescribed Vaminolact, but doesn't use it. The Basso/Puerto defence, or maybe the Clinton/didn't inhale.
Vaminolact is a nutrient for children and only used by adults as a masking agent.
It'll be interesting to see if WADA appeal.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Luke Rowe says that dopers deserve no respect in a publication which constantly gives dopers lots of respect
http://rouleur.cc/journal/riders/lu...nterview)&mc_cid=82821cf27c&mc_eid=20f4d5a356

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Research suggests that "the performance benefits of doping could remain latent for decades, and could be activated whenever the athlete resumes training." Potential for lifetime bans?
http://www.outsideonline.com/198217...=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweet

 

[Crackle]

Research suggests that "the performance benefits of doping could remain latent for decades, and could be activated whenever the athlete resumes training." Potential for lifetime bans?
http://www.outsideonline.com/198217...=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweet

That's a fairly dodgy article, hard to give it any credence.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

That's a fairly dodgy article, hard to give it any credence.

Why do you think it's dodgy? It's a pretty good description of a complicated research process. And the researcher in question has a long and distinguished record of solid research in exercise physiology.

 

[Crackle]

Why do you think it's dodgy? It's a pretty good description of a complicated research process. And the researcher in question has a long and distinguished record of solid research in exercise physiology.

Dodgy is perhaps the wrong word but it's pure supposition based on preliminary findings. This is a study in mice, there's nothing yet to say it'll transfer to humans. I admit it reads better 2nd time than it did the first time.