Doping git thread

[Adam4868]

Innocent until proven guilty ? I don't follow it that closely but there's a lot of heresay it seems...

View: https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/1330844382686302208?s=19

 

[ColinJ]

30 sachets of testogel to treat erection...

Especially when Richard Freeman claimed he was unaware of testosterone's "performance"-enhancing benefits...

 

[rich p]

“You also say you felt uncomfortable that the Welsh national coach would have recognised EPO in a phial?” Jackson asked. “Mr Sutton was obviously able to recognise it according to the account given to me,” replied Cooke.

My guess is that it said EPO on it?

Also, nobody doubts that Sutton was in and around pro cycling when doping was rife so it's not exactly surprising.
Don't know if there's a smoking gun or not but this evidence seems a bit thin to me.

 

[mjr]

“You also say you felt uncomfortable that the Welsh national coach would have recognised EPO in a phial?” Jackson asked. “Mr Sutton was obviously able to recognise it according to the account given to me,” replied Cooke.

My guess is that it said EPO on it?

Not necessarily. It could have said Zyrop, or EPAIO and a load of Chinese script, or most likely at that time РЕПРЕТИН on a completely Cyrillic label. For some reason, doping gits have preferred to buy ones that don't have "EPO" plastered across the packaging(!)

 

[rich p]

Not necessarily. It could have said Zyrop, or EPAIO and a load of Chinese script, or most likely at that time РЕПРЕТИН on a completely Cyrillic label. For some reason, doping gits have preferred to buy ones that don't have "EPO" plastered across the packaging(!)

Well, according to the quote, the driver recognised it as EPO. Maybe he was a Chinese driver?

 

[mjr]

Well, according to the quote, the driver recognised it as EPO. Maybe he was a Chinese driver?

"“You also say you felt uncomfortable that the Welsh national coach would have recognised EPO in a phial?” Jackson asked. “Mr Sutton was obviously able to recognise it according to the account given to me,” replied Cooke."

What driver?

 

[mjr]

Also, nobody doubts that Sutton was in and around pro cycling when doping was rife so it's not exactly surprising.
Don't know if there's a smoking gun or not but this evidence seems a bit thin to me.

Sutton doubts it! He denied in Parliament being around doping in his answer to Q1098 of http://data.parliament.uk/writtenev...ee/combatting-doping-in-sport/oral/44749.html

"Have you had personal experience of being around people that were doping, of seeing doping in cycling, either as a rider or as a coach, earlier in your career?

Shane Sutton: No"

Do you see why he's not considered an unimpeachable witness?

 

[DCLane]

Do you see why he's not considered an unimpeachable witness?

Isn't he currently somewhere where we don't have an extradition order? I'm just wondering whether he's gone there to avoid future prosecution.

 

[mjr]

Isn't he currently somewhere where we don't have an extradition order? I'm just wondering whether he's gone there to avoid future prosecution.

I think he mentioned Spain so I suspect we don't have an extradition agreement after the end of next month... but equally, I suspect he believes what he's shovelling, complete with all its incredible bits, inconsistencies and spin.

 

[rich p]

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What driver?

This one?

View: https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/1330844382686302208?s=20

 

[rich p]

Do you see why he's not considered an unimpeachable witness?

I never said he was. Just that this evidence is hearsay and weak.

 

[mjr]

This one?

View: https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/1330844382686302208?s=20

Only says the driver found it, not that he recognised it. 🤷

 

[rich p]

Only says the driver found it, not that he recognised it. 🤷

Well, someone apparently recognised it after Sutton had left the car according to that but to be honest I'm not that interested in this non-story. I'm not sure why I've let myself get sucked into a dreary discussion with a pedant

 

[Adam4868]

Well, someone apparently recognised it after Sutton had left the car according to that but to be honest I'm not that interested in this non-story. I'm not sure why I've let myself get sucked into a dreary discussion with a pedant

Cause the cycling season has finished.....how long is it to the first race 😁

 

[coldash]

I’m not placing too much faith in the testimony of many of the participants. IMO there are many old scores being settled and some memories of what happened in the late 1980s appear to be vague,completely wrong, just opinion and possibly impacted by old age (or other things).