wow, great responses thak you. So some context, i a 4 and ride to work and bck about 7.5 miles each way andthen do a couple of 10 mile rides of an evening. I started to lose weight and its helping. So never thought of eating on the go. Dont drink either. I also tink i cant stop which i bet if i did on a 20 ile ride i could manage it. Do hills ever get easier !!