Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
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Posters have reported dog running straight in front of their wheels, or snarling and growling. Hence my reply
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xxmimixx
Senior Member
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The word which you both missed is "tightly".
A dog can be under control but still wander around. There is no legal or moral requirement for every dog owner to immobilise their dog because there is a cyclist nearby. Conversely, the cyclist has both a legal and moral responsibility not to run down dogs.
And, xx, I think you could do with some research too. Although you can skip looking into the word "condescension", you seem to have that one nailed.
Yes a dog can wonder around freely, IF he does not do the things I mentioned in my earlier posts otherwise it would be construed as not being in control. I think we both agree tbh we are just phrasing it differently!
And I didnt mean to sound condescending I suggested you researched for your benefit rather than take my word for it, no offense intended!
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
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- Cwmbach, South Wales
Take some of that advice.
xxmimixx
Senior Member
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they who? others who???
Anyway I think the point of a Forum is to give opinions and not to prove or disprove who's right or wrong
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
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- Cwmbach, South Wales
Amem to thatthey who? others who???
Anyway I think the point of a Forum is to give opinions and not to prove or disprove who's right or wrong
Anyway I think the point of a Forum is to give opinions and not to prove or disprove who's right or wrong
Really. Might be one for a different thread but opinion without basis carries no weight, it's just noise. If I made a statement about what I thought should happen in a certain situation, I'm sure you'd expect that I could substantiate what I'd said otherwise you'd ignore it.
xxmimixx
Senior Member
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Facts need to carry 'weight' , not opinions which are subjective to each of our interpretations, beliefs etc. In my opinion I think I am fat. This does not need to carry 'weight' (sorry the pun) it's just my opinion and CAN be wrong!
However, truth be told, if you notice my initial reply I quoted Norm and not yourself.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
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- Cwmbach, South Wales
I get the impression I pee'd him off with my highly provokative post and he is now lashimg out at anyone who agrees with me.
Interpretation of facts normally, a subjective interpretation I agree. I also agree you can hold an opinion based on nothing and if you'd just posted what you did without quoting Norm I probably wouldn't have responded but you seemed, to me, to be responding to Norms post and I percieved you'd misinterpreted it and so responded in kind.
quassleberry
New Member
- Location
- East Yorks
I have only encountered one aggressive dog whilst cycling who lunged off the footpath as I cycled by on the road. Apparently this dog (who lives in my road) hates anything & everything.
My Flatcoated retriever Teasel has only ever growled once at 1 person & that was a cyclist, it was 5.30am we were walking to the fields got to the end of the narrow pavement there was a male cyclist tucked into the hedge waiting for us to clear the pavement so he could cycle along it (the road is perfectly clear, safe & well lit). She was either being protective for me or telling him it's illegal to cycle on the pavement. If they are on the road she doesn't even acknowledge them.
Whilst walking my 5 I will always put them on the lead when I spot runners, horse riders, other dog walkers etc not too many cyclists across the fields, a problem is when they sneak up behind you giving you no time to act. Mostly it's better just to let mine carry on snuffling in the hedgerows than call them in so drawing attention to people passing.
They have all been running with me, know what bikes are & are most definitely called in when horses are around if only held by their collars because the horse has come along so fast there's been no time to clip leads on. It's only the afghanX who thinks they are big dogs she can trot alongside, no barks, growls or nipping just a haughty prance at the side, she is the one who spends most time on a lead even in the fields because of her independent nature.
What is a problem is a family with husky crosses who have a large scooter to which they attach the dogs to pull them around the fields, these dogs hate most other dogs & have had a go at most of the dogs so the feeling is mutual. the owner bombs around the field & by the time you've seen him and started to call the dogs in he's behind you - nightmare.
My Flatcoated retriever Teasel has only ever growled once at 1 person & that was a cyclist, it was 5.30am we were walking to the fields got to the end of the narrow pavement there was a male cyclist tucked into the hedge waiting for us to clear the pavement so he could cycle along it (the road is perfectly clear, safe & well lit). She was either being protective for me or telling him it's illegal to cycle on the pavement. If they are on the road she doesn't even acknowledge them.
Whilst walking my 5 I will always put them on the lead when I spot runners, horse riders, other dog walkers etc not too many cyclists across the fields, a problem is when they sneak up behind you giving you no time to act. Mostly it's better just to let mine carry on snuffling in the hedgerows than call them in so drawing attention to people passing.
They have all been running with me, know what bikes are & are most definitely called in when horses are around if only held by their collars because the horse has come along so fast there's been no time to clip leads on. It's only the afghanX who thinks they are big dogs she can trot alongside, no barks, growls or nipping just a haughty prance at the side, she is the one who spends most time on a lead even in the fields because of her independent nature.
What is a problem is a family with husky crosses who have a large scooter to which they attach the dogs to pull them around the fields, these dogs hate most other dogs & have had a go at most of the dogs so the feeling is mutual. the owner bombs around the field & by the time you've seen him and started to call the dogs in he's behind you - nightmare.
lulubel
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- Malaga, Spain
My fault? That the dog owner can't be bothered to put their dog on the lead when walking along a road? Where there are cars, buses, lorries, etc, as well as cyclists? They don't care enough about their dog to keep it safe, then blame me when it runs in front of me.
I'm not talking about shared paths here, although I'd argue that if your dog can't be trusted to stay close to your side, it should be on a lead at all times when out in public. I only ride on the roads, so any incidents I have with dogs are on the roads.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
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- Cwmbach, South Wales
There are people on this forum who feel that anything that isn't a car has a right to do anything anywhere! See the comment Crackle made to my reply.
lulubel
Über Member
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- Malaga, Spain
Unfortunately, Spain hasn't moved totally away from the idea that dogs should be allowed to roam. My OH saw a dog hit by a car a few weeks back, picked him up and sat with him at the side of the road. A West Highland White called Casper. By the time the owner got there, he was dead.
I'm really doing my best to ignore you now but you continue to make snide comments at me and misrepresent what I say. So, to be absolutetly clear. I'm not interested in anything you say and I will no longer pick you up on anything I disagree with, you are free to post without worry that I might reply to you. In return, perhaps you could extend me the same courtesy. If that's clear, there's absolutely no need to reply. If you continue to refer to me to other people, I'll view that as harassment and let the mods decide whether your comments are reasonable or unwarranted. Goodbye!