Dodgy knee help.

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Will1985 said:
FFS, why bother asking for help if all you're going to do is continue riding long distances? 114 miles yesterday and planning 160 next week suggests that you aren't taking this problem seriously.

The doctor was mainly on about the frequency of riding, between yesterday and next week I'm not riding at all.

It's not as if I've increased the miles massivly, I've being doing 70+ every week with the odd 100+ i Manchester and every week here for weeks on end is 100+, yesterday was short and easy compared to some of the rides.

I take Omega 3 capsules and Glucosamine Sulphate that should help, I have ibuprofen that helps with swelling and glucosamine gel.
 

postman

Squire
Location
,Leeds
Watch out with the IBUPROFEN.I got called into the Doc's this year.I had taken a Well man programme.And an abnormal reading was found in the liver.Was told to stop with the Ibuprofen.All was well after that.
So just a thought.
 
I don't take it allot, I've heard about people getting addicted to it and all that, so I only take it when I really need to. I'm sure if it causes anything bad then a blood test would find it out? I'm having one today to see if it sheds any light on my sleeping issues.
 

Bill Gates

Guest
Location
West Sussex
If you take your weight on a daily basis you should notice a correlation between taking a course of Ibuprofen and a sudden increase in weightof 2/3lbs. I noticed it first after crashing my bike during a TT for a few days after and recently I was proscribed Ibuprofen for my arthroscopy.

In each case my weight went up by 3lbs and a couple of days after I stopped went down again. It must have been due to fluid retention.
 

Billloudon

New Member
Location
Escocia
I was prescribed Ibuprofen after my bike fall and also noticed a marked increase in weight. I thought it was because I was less active. When I came off them I lost the weight again. I think because they were so effective I found it difficult to come off.
Coincidence - I think not!!!!
 
I don't know if me taking ibuprofen really is the cause of this weight increase I have, I only take 2 a day sometimes I might not take any.

I did weigh about 11.5stone but it was around 12 most of the time, now I'm at between 12.1 and 12.5stone, I'm thinking this might slow me down when I get back on me bike again sometime. People say it could be muscle but I don't know, recent weeks I have notice the bit of muscle above the knee cap, it's like a line or something that goes across looks bigger, like I never noticed it before, but muscle takes ages to build up I thought.

I'm going to search the internet for knee exercises that help with muscle imbalance and tracking problems, it's the only thing I can think of that could have cause my dodgy knee as I have never ran for any period of time that could actually cause knee problems.

I was reading last night and a website said you can damage cartilage when you break other bones, or if for example you broke your leg and twisted your leg round, and in 2000 that's exactly what happened when I jumped off a big hill and landed straight on the leg twisted it around and fell to the ground snapping tib and fib.
 
I'm currently attending weekly NHS physio gym sessions focused on leg strength building to aleviate knee tracking problems. I've not ridden more than a couple of test run miles in 7 months.

I sprained both knees, then I listened to the GP telling me to rest and do nothing, over and over. No mention of RICE either. I ended up with patellar bursitis.
Then I went to a different GP who signed me up for physio without question.

In my opinion you really need to ask for that referral. Some GP's will tell you to cut back and rest until you stop altogether. Then you end up like I did.

A physio can then refer you further if need be.
 
Well as I said, I've got a physio appointment for 25th August.

It's likely I won't be satisfied with what the physio does as from what I can tell physio will not fix my knee from the feeling and sound of it all this clicking, I'll book an appointment the day after and try get the doctor to have more tests done maybe refer me for another MRI scan, It feels like I need an operation tbh.
 
Instead of using ice cubes and water would it be just as effective to get the shower head and move it around my knee area with ice cold water?
 

Paul_iow

New Member
willhub said:
Well as I said, I've got a physio appointment for 25th August.

It's likely I won't be satisfied with what the physio does as from what I can tell physio will not fix my knee from the feeling and sound of it all this clicking, I'll book an appointment the day after and try get the doctor to have more tests done maybe refer me for another MRI scan, It feels like I need an operation tbh.
And how much medical training do you have? If you go into it thinking it wont work then it is more likely it wont. Psycology has a lot to do with healing. Why not go to the appointment with an open mind and you never know, you may actually get better!
 
Paul_iow said:
And how much medical training do you have? If you go into it thinking it wont work then it is more likely it wont. Psycology has a lot to do with healing. Why not go to the appointment with an open mind and you never know, you may actually get better!

It's cause it seems that NHS physio's aint that good with knees and I have to pay lots of money to get my knee fixed, that's the impression I get.

And all the clicking I get and the dull pain I sometimes get makes me think how could a some exercises fix that? And how would the current cartilage wear effect it.

The shower felt pretty cold, it was enough to make my feet numb and feel abit uncomfortable for my feet.
 

montage

God Almighty
Location
Bethlehem
Right.... I would double check you saddle height on your bike. Get some people with experience...or even a bike fitting (you could ask the LBS that does bike fitting just to do saddle height for less cash if you are really short of money). If your saddle is currently too low, even if it is just 1/2 a cm ...then come back to use here :biggrin:

I would also get off your bike and stretch at various points during training ..... just do the entire leg's muscles .....especially the IT band.

You can also buy deep freeze...just the same as deep heat...but it freezes!! Works for some.. £4 a tube though isn't that cheap.
 
What exercises can I do now that help with muscle imbalance and just generally help?

My current bike position has being set up for a fee of £50 a Paul Hewwit cycles near Preston so I'd hope it was correct. Saddle height is marked by a piece of tape now and does not appear to have slipped. My heels cannot tough the pedals as the saddle is high up, but I was told that this was not that important, and I trust what he says since he is apparently one of the best in the country.
 

Fiona N

Veteran
To be somewhat cynical - the reason NHS physios have less success with knees than private physios is because the clients who pay for the advice are more likely to follow it. But all physios are limited in their success by the diligence of their clients in following up the exercise regime.
My physio (private) reckons than perhaps 1 patient in 100 does as many of the exercises as she advises and keeps on doing them, about 20 in 100 do them for the first month then as soon as the problem goes, stop - whereupon the problem often comes back in a few months (which they blame on the physio and go elsewhere), most patients do some exercises for a while but it's hit and miss, and about 10% don't bother to do any at all.
And that's people who are paying £30 a session, so why would NHS patients getting it for free do any better - plus NHS physios are more likely to be treating the chronically overweight, the chronically lazy, the aged and infirm as a major part of their workload.

I'm convinced that most physios are pretty good at what they do but obviously, if you go to a physio who treats mainly patients after knee replacements or post-stroke rehabilitation, they're going to be much better at advice for problems related to these than someone like my physio who gets a lot of fell runners and cyclists so is pretty good at the sort of ankle/knee/back problems associated with these sports. A previous physio worked with a lot of triathletes and was an expert on muscle imbalances in the shoulders due to bad swimming techniques. But who ever you get, you're going to have to do the exercises they recommend to get the benefits - not even the best physios can just wave a magic wand (or a Megapulse) to fix the majority of problems.

As an aside on the 'clicking' in the knee - this is most likely just the ligaments slipping over rough edges in the joint. When the joint is nice and healthy, everything slides really nice and smoothly. But with advancing age or overuse damage, rough spots develop where the ligaments and tendons 'catch' then snap past, a bit like an elastic band. So it's likely to be a feature of your knees now and even the best outcome from the physio may not stop it. Sometimes during an arthroscopy, the surgeon will look for obvious rough places and smooth them off as part of the 'general wear and tear' maintenance. I know ex-rugby players who go for such arthroscopies fairly regularly - every 3 or 4 years - just to keep their knees as good as possible after the rigours of a pro-sports life.

P.S> waving cold water shower at your knee is a waste of time and water - you need to have contact with near zero degrees material for 10 minutes to cool the joint sufficiently. It's the mass of the joint you're trying to cool down not the skin. Cold showers are good for sunburn not cooling joints to reduce inflammation.
 
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