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screenman

Squire
Its all about overheads the rumour is that dealers wont discount them because they only £100 on each £20 goes to salesman... The Renaults next to them in the showrooms earn the dealerships considerably more.... that accounts for some of the extra cost....

That rumour is very wrong.
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
So on your thinking..... A Triban 3 or a Defy 5 is a S**t bike because its way less than a Specailized or A pinarello......
I'm not familiar with either (I don't do road bikes), but having just googled the Triban 3, Decathlon's sales pitch is "the perfect Road Bike for occasional Road Cycling [...] for an entry level Road Cyclist [...] Outings on the Triban 3 should be up to 45 miles [...] a pleasant bike for beginners" - so yeah, I would assume it's not a bike they expect you to like for long. Again, spend the same money on a used bike and you're going to get something very much nicer.
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
[QUOTE 3381694, member: 9609"]which one ?[/QUOTE]
SLK 230 - which is probably not the sort of car the OP is after, but there are many other models to which the same argument would apply.
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
This is true but some of us prefer to buy a newer car, with considerably lower running costs (mpg, VED, insurance, Congestion etc), partly because we are not that interested in the 'driving experience' and partly because a car is purely a means to transport stuff - people, gear etc.
Which is absolutely fair enough - but when you consider how long the car is likely to last, and it's resale value down the road, the cost of ownership may well be very much higher than it appears.
 

MrWill

Well-Known Member
Fantastic used cars are very rare. I'm fortunate enough to be capable of building a car let alone repairing or maintaining one...

I've had 5 used cars. None have been great. No matter what the make or model, Lambda sensors and the like go bust, crankshaft oil seals leak, batteries go bust, belts need changing and so on.

Bought my current 2005 Corsa 3 years ago for £2000 with 45000 miles on it, full service history, 1 owner blah blah. In the last 3 years I have had to replace Lambda sensor, crankshaft position sensor, MAF, rack ends, drop links, battery, wiper motor, wiper linkage, crankshaft oil seal, and then all the usual service stuff like, oil, plugs, blades,belt, coolant, filters. I expect to do the timing chain next year. For the cost of all this I could of just bought a new car and not of had to get under the car so much.

So if you can get a brand new car, avoiding potential history issues of a used car, avoiding high likelyhood of extra maintenance costs, with warranty, for a good price like that, and see a car as an a to b machine, go for it!

A colleague at work has one of these Sanderos. Had it 2 years no problems. Is happy with it.

Best cars I have worked on have been Toyotas btw. Worst is this Corsa with Fiat engine. Known loads of people with 8, 9,10, 11 year old BMWs left broke because of out of the blue, huge repair costs.

Have a fleet of around 10 Merc vans at work. All have had probs.
 

CopperBrompton

Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops
Location
London
The difference is that it all depends on who owned the car before.
True, but mine was a single-owner vehicle with a full main dealer service history and all the previous MOTs (to verify mileage). On a decent car, buying used isn't a big risk.

I also like the smell of a new car.
I believe you can buy a spray for that, which probably costs less than the 20-30% depreciation hit you take driving your new car off the forecourt ...
 

screenman

Squire
MrWill, you may be good at working on cars but maybe not so good at choosing them. Take your current choice a bag of nails is how I find them.

Big number coming up, 44 years of the motor trade, many as a dealer, I like to hang onto my few bob which is why I let somebody else take the first knock.
 

MrWill

Well-Known Member
We aint talking 16k Fiestas though are we. We are talking about a new, adequate car for 6-7k.
 
All the reviews say the driving experience is like going back 20 years. My bil had a Dacia years ago and based on that and the reviews, I'd be wary.
 

screenman

Squire
[QUOTE 3381714, member: 45"]Buy 12 months old. Ex-lease. Ask for an extra year's warranty. You'll get yourself a practically new car for about 60% of the new cost.[/QUOTE]

I tend to buy 3 year old ex lease. My current one was £23500 New I paid £6000 at 3 years old with 60,000 miles, it has now done 170,000
 

MrWill

Well-Known Member
MrWill, you may be good at working on cars but maybe not so good at choosing them. Take your current choice a bag of nails is how I find them.

Big number coming up, 44 years of the motor trade, many as a dealer, I like to hang onto my few bob which is why I let somebody else take the first knock.

Had 2k at the time, best I could get. Replaced so much on it that it is good and cheap for a few years now. Insurance super cheap too.
 
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