Discrimination and Loss of "freedom of movement" for poor and disabled

Is exclusion and discrimination of the poor and disabled in regards to cycling a serious problem?

  • yes

    Votes: 10 12.0%
  • no

    Votes: 29 34.9%
  • I am ignorant on the issue (lack of knowledge, not dumb)

    Votes: 16 19.3%
  • your trolling

    Votes: 19 22.9%
  • your not trolling

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • They are a danger and should not be allowed (for what ever reason)

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • I never knew I was discriminating by "exclusion"

    Votes: 2 2.4%
  • I don't want them cycling and think you need to be silenced

    Votes: 3 3.6%
  • please educate me

    Votes: 12 14.5%
  • TMI (if this is your selection please PM as to why)

    Votes: 8 9.6%

  • Total voters
    83
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Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
Typical CChatters we are, only 2 posts, we already laughed the op's no doubt very serious equality struggles to oblivion.
We are bad :evil:
Sorry op, and :welcome:, forgive us, we are (mostly) european, evil sense of humor :rofl:
Night all :hello:
 

Oldspice

Senior Member
How come no one on this site told me i was being discriminated against:ohmy:. I had to find out from a stranger:sad:
 

ttcycle

Cycling Excusiast
You're certainly not endearing people to your cause!

If you want to control the way people respond to you then perhaps an anonymous internet forum is not the place to do it.

I'm sure you have something valid to say but from what you've written it's just not clear.
 
PS now I am off to write chapter 1 which is going to sound totally of topic and not about the cycling world. I am saying now it has relevance and I will prove it in the later posts of chapter 2 and on. I am trying to break this up so its not a super long single post which would take the highest level of comprehension to even follow. I am sorry in advance that they seem like LONG random rambling. It is a very complicated yet simple issue. It is the perspective that makes it complicated or simple. That is why I have to establish the background before I officially establish the problem itself.

if you've been banned from three other forums, presumably you have already been through all this 'complicated issue' stuff with others. Can you not just post a link to these forums - might save you all the bother of writing it all out again...
 

4F

Active member of Helmets Are Sh*t Lobby
Location
Suffolk.
We have a law over here in the uk as well. It says if you are going to post on a forum you should stop fannying around, get to the point and stop being such a drama queen x
 

MrJamie

Oaf on a Bike
The replies just look bad because all the nice obedient people haven't replied yet.. oh wait.. oops :crazy:
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
I got so bored reading all that, so I found myself googling Minnesota state laws - do you realize (sic) that it is illegal to sleep naked in Minnesota, and it is illegal to tease skunks.....
I have slept naked in Minnesota. With a naked Minnesotan. And I've not seen people clear snow from their paths because it is so bone dry that walking is quite safe.
 
OP
OP
D

disabled rider

Regular
Before I start this post. It is going to read as if it is totally off topic. Please bear with me because it is going to take multi posts to tie everything together and show its relevance to cycling. Because of the nature of the issue I will not be holding anything back and I will be exposing sensitive information about myself(NOT personally identifying information) to help establish a perspective that is not the same as a non disabled that deals with cycling.

No one is forcing you to read this thread, so please let me have my say.

Chapter 1 About myself

list of impairments vs a person who is normal by non disabled perspective.

1. hearing loss, low end of moderate to profound. Moderate is 1/2. Profound is deaf. wearing in excess of $3000 in defective hearing equipment. "exclusion factor" is the reason I am being forced to wear expensive defective garbage.

2. learning disability (NOT developmentally challenged) I graduated top 1/5th among normals, despite the two listed impairments and exclusion. Missed honor society by 1 class, when I did not even know it existed, till last semester of high school. Listed in my school k-12 file, in capital letters and underlined "EXTREME UNDERACHIEVER" , exclusion was the biggest reason for this. Because of 1 and 2 Normals decided I was inferior and excluded me from participating in things like the honor society.(Not based on capability but based on stigmas and myths) That the honor society was exclusive for elite only. Turns out, those same elite, in the honor society, were cheating their way through tests and homework. I personally caught them handing answers back and forth on test. Once I found out they were in the honor society, things clicked in place and the cheating wasn't random as I had originally believed. Reason for mentioning the cheaters is if they had played fairly. My standing would have been even higher in the graduating class. I never cheated. And I am proud of that fact, I never cheated.

3. Due to forced premature I have skeletal problems with connective tissue. I get severe pain from nerve pinching due to loose connective tissue. Standing on hard surfaces or walking distance is extremely painful, which is one of the reasons I bike everywhere instead of walk.

4. heart defect had heart surgery when was 26. Food additives and other chems used on food was the trigger to make this a big issue for me.

5. Atypical panic attacks This was caused by the torture and abuse by my peers due to number 1 and 2 above. I have had bodily arson done to me for the sole purpose to entertain a bully who was bored. Another incident broke my right arm for same reason as first. The actions were linked to numbers 1 and 2. Fact is, many people get insecure when they feel someone they perceive as inferior is doing better than they are. (class standing in top 1/5 despite 2 major impairments, and exclusion, in point of fact)

6. inability to function well within interpersonal, and professional relationships, Due to 1, 2 and 5.

7. Unable to work. Not because of the impairments but the exclusion by the non disabled who control almost every aspect of life. The exclusion has nothing to do with sub par or inferior performance. It is solely the refusal to include even when I am so over qualified to perform the job and willing to work for less pay than the next. (Number 7 is absolutely not open for debate, 7 has nothing to do with lack of trying or being free loader or any other excuses given by those who do not know the exact details and life experiences I went through. I am 100% unemployable because of the "Exclusion" factor, not my impairments.)

8. numbers 5,6, 7 are the core of the determination for my SSDI by the SSA administration that declared my "disabled" status. NOT every aspect of your life has to be completely impaired to be classed "disabled." Minimum 2 major life activities need to be severely impaired. There is a difference between having disabilities and being disabled. Will explain this further later.

9. Income is severely impaired by 1-8 and most of all by the "Exclusion factor."

10. Sleep apnea requiring auto adjusting CPAP

Note I did not write this from a victimization perspective. Victimization core is, the perceiving of being a victim when you are not actually a victim. Victimization is NOT the perceiving of being a victim when in fact you are one. The example of this second point is, my pointing out about the "bodily arson" That was a fact that happened in front of witnesses of 34 people, who stood by and did not do anything to stop it or laughed along with the person committing the torture. No actions were taken against this person. If it had happened today, that person would have been declared an adult and tried as an adult and thrown in prison. "Bodily arson is torture" by the definition of torture. I lost half my hair, If I had bent over a second earlier, I would have permanent scaring today. My last sentence here, is based on, if I had bent over any sooner I would have been out of reach of said arson to put the fire out. I did not know I was on fire till after I was hit hard on my head by the arsonist torturer, to put said fire out.
I added the part about victimization because it came up in other forums, people who were accusing me of it, didn't really understand what it was and thought it applied to people, who were pointing out the facts of things that happened to themselves. It is also used as a means of excusing the criminal actions of the person committing the crime. It is wrong to justify the criminal actions period. This is tied to morals and ethics, and justice.

I am a survivor. A messed up one, but a survivor none the less. Psychiatrist and psychologists, I have dealt with over the years say that any reasonable person would have suicide in junior high going through the stuff I did, without a doubt statistically speaking. I have an exceptionally strong will to live, right from forced 2 months premature and on.

This "personal" background is the core as to why riding bicycle is vital for 100% of my transportation needs. And why my riding style, I use, is vital to keep me from getting killed by negligent drivers.

Now when you look at the rest of the posts establishing the issue, effecting many poor disabled, put your self in my shoes with the difficulties above, Not as a non disabled. If you can do this you will be enlightened of the normalized exclusion of a disadvantaged class of people.

Here is the guardian regarding the Gym issue following the Paralympics2012 The exclusion was so normalized that it wasn't seen as an issue, till it was brought forward to public attention using the poor disabled perspective, that yes this was a serious problem. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/sep/10/gym-access-disabled-people-campaigners
The reason for using the gym example is cycling is mostly considered a "sport", Not a means of transportation of freedom of movement.

Chapter 2 is to follow, This chapter will be about the definition of "disability" and "disabled" A different perspective than the ones used by the medical and non disabled people.
chapter 3 "Exclusion factor"
Chapter 4 the ISSUE
Chapter 5 specific situation as detailed example showing how the issue is doing severe harm.(using my personal situation I find myself in currently) When poor disabled, like me, are finding that we are being excluded in full participation of cycling. (Partial inclusion is not enough, when it involves restricting our ability to care for ourselves.) I don't just mean recreational cycling like the man with the hand-petal bike(I have never personally heard of a hand-pedal bike being used as a means of transportation from point a to point b and for hauling of goods from shopping etc.) Recreational riding is more inclusive than other riding methods.

The chapters may change order or topic, due to unforeseen comments made by others.

Disabled Rider:sweat::thanks:
 

Oldspice

Senior Member
Wouldn't it make more sense to post on the 'Minnesota Cycling federation forum'
http://www.mcf.net/index.php/forum

It's in your area and would be able to give you a lot more advise.
(Just change your last user name and try not to ramble so much, they will never know it's you)

The Guardian was talking about UK gyms (council and other gyms are accessible in UK)

From what i got useing Google Minnesota is offering a shed load of stuff for disabled people.
 
OP
OP
D

disabled rider

Regular
Wouldn't it make more sense to post on the 'Minnesota Cycling federation forum'
http://www.mcf.net/index.php/forum

It's in your area and would be able to give you a lot more advise.
(Just change your last user name and try not to ramble so much, they will never know it's you)

The Guardian was talking about UK gyms (council and other gyms are accessible in UK)

From what i got useing Google Minnesota is offering a shed load of stuff for disabled people.

I am aware that the guardian was talking about the UK gyms This is a UK forum. I was using its example because it was closer to where this forum and many of its users are located.

My beef is not just here, its world wide. And with the internet being a more intricate role in our lives. Issues going on in other countries become more relevant to one another. If this was back in the day before the internet I would fully agree with you about focusing here only. I do have other things going on at this time just not on sites yet. I made a plea with the city council for example to amend the rules governing cycles on side walks for disabled other than the ambulatory impaired verity.

There are other rules in place that restrict us from leaving city limits. This is one of the bigger ones that interfere with the right of freedom of movement. Right now I am cut off from a particular fishing spot where I have a good history of success catching food. that same restrictions prevents me from going to various places to hunt for deer for food. People with cars are not blocked at all.

One of the other reasons I thought to start here, was due to the impact, the UK government and media had on, getting the public to become hostile towards the disabled/poor community. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/05/benefit-cuts-fuelling-abuse-disabled-people

If it had not been for this, I would have taken the suggestion about switching to an American site right off the bat. I still can as long as the moderators don't physically delete my posts which I can then copy over to the other American site.(my posts only no-one else.) Lately UK and USA have been taking similar actions when dealing with the disability and poor community. To me this gives the impression that they are looking to one another as examples. So if I can get things moving in UK to better our rights to cycle USA may follow suit. and vice-versa.(wishful thinking but possible)

Sometimes the proper actions can't be taken, if not enough information is shared. Martin Luther King Jr shared a lot back in the day including many personal examples. As a result he became the symbol of the civil rights movement.

I don't want to be a symbol. I just want results, that will let me cycle, in a safe manor, so I can do the simple things of taking care of myself.

Statistics on the site you recommended is pretty dismal for trying to get the word out. not much traffic. Posting there I would wind up swamping it, which I know from past experience is not good for the sites overall health.

Anyway signing off, time for a break and rest my brain.

Disabled rider.:hello:
 
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