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oldroadman
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He gets tested. The sample is split into two sealed containers, A and B. These are securely sent to an accredited lab to be analysed. If the result is non-negative (i.e. something is found) on the A sample, the athlete is informed. He or she is then entitled to be present when the B sample is opened and tested.
If this produces the same result, then the rider's home federation is informed, and they take action as appropriate. All of which can take quite a while! Hope this helps.
The main thing is getting the dopers out of the sport, but it has to be legally watertight.
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pawl
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Many thanks old roadman.It clarifies the testing procedure.
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pawl
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Oh dear sorry this caused so much annoyance.
Monsieur Remings
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Been working late on the cabs tonight and been thinking about this again tonight, so sorry if it's a rambling one!
The comments made by Citraca are so damning but it makes you wonder what made him think he'd get away with it, hence the comments to the like...? What an absolute fool to throw away what little he could have salvaged of his reputation, after the two previous failed tests.
In a way I'd love Visconti to be tested and to be found clean as a message to all young Italian (and other) cyclists, because his attack after Di Luca's, leaving him and the Columbian rider in his wake was a big highlight for me in an otherwise muted race, compromised in part by the weather and the lack of any viable opposition to Nibali.
The comments made by Citraca are so damning but it makes you wonder what made him think he'd get away with it, hence the comments to the like...? What an absolute fool to throw away what little he could have salvaged of his reputation, after the two previous failed tests.
In a way I'd love Visconti to be tested and to be found clean as a message to all young Italian (and other) cyclists, because his attack after Di Luca's, leaving him and the Columbian rider in his wake was a big highlight for me in an otherwise muted race, compromised in part by the weather and the lack of any viable opposition to Nibali.
Why would Lance comment ? And why would he comment about di Luca ? Why would he comment now ?
Either you believe the blood passport works or you don't. On the positive side you have all the glowing comments from the riders and the UCI board stating that everything has been clean since its introduction, We can now have confidence, the cheats will get caught.
On the other hand, in order to maintain belief you have to subscribe to t concept that Lance was filthy for 7 Tours and then entirely clean on his return, you know, when Brad never rode against him in a Tour, ie you place a tick in the check box for Lance on i)scruples or ii) I can no longer beat the system so for my comeback I will rider clean. Similarly - keeping it topical another rider like Menchov whose departure is rightly greeted with a huge sigh of relief, was able to win the Giro in 2009 and have a number of good wins since the introduction of the Blood Passport. Add in Michael Ashenden's comments are what has changed since 1999 apart from the actors ?
To me Lance's wanted to comment because di Luca testing positive exactly played into his ultimate argument. "All I did was what every body else did for decades before and has been doing since. People just did not like that on this "level" playing field, I was the best ever. di Luca you are an idiot because it is still a modest feat of logistics to beat the tests". He also chose to comment because the main character in the current play on stage was taking the p**s big style AND was not from an English speaking nation and so we would not get all the faux outrage to what he said from the English speaking press, so many of whom have such a guilty conscience to purge with him and would enjoy a chance of attesting to their new-found religion, with a condemnation of their old faith.
To a modest observer one could look at di Luca and say - idiot - did something dumb and was caught, Nibali - take your hat off to the bloke - waltzes around the testers - then goes up the hill like he is fuelled on Nitro, The last time we saw anyone so dominant at the Giro was Basso. Lance we understand you.
Lance is well smart and that was an outstanding comment from him.
Either you believe the blood passport works or you don't. On the positive side you have all the glowing comments from the riders and the UCI board stating that everything has been clean since its introduction, We can now have confidence, the cheats will get caught.
On the other hand, in order to maintain belief you have to subscribe to t concept that Lance was filthy for 7 Tours and then entirely clean on his return, you know, when Brad never rode against him in a Tour, ie you place a tick in the check box for Lance on i)scruples or ii) I can no longer beat the system so for my comeback I will rider clean. Similarly - keeping it topical another rider like Menchov whose departure is rightly greeted with a huge sigh of relief, was able to win the Giro in 2009 and have a number of good wins since the introduction of the Blood Passport. Add in Michael Ashenden's comments are what has changed since 1999 apart from the actors ?
To me Lance's wanted to comment because di Luca testing positive exactly played into his ultimate argument. "All I did was what every body else did for decades before and has been doing since. People just did not like that on this "level" playing field, I was the best ever. di Luca you are an idiot because it is still a modest feat of logistics to beat the tests". He also chose to comment because the main character in the current play on stage was taking the p**s big style AND was not from an English speaking nation and so we would not get all the faux outrage to what he said from the English speaking press, so many of whom have such a guilty conscience to purge with him and would enjoy a chance of attesting to their new-found religion, with a condemnation of their old faith.
To a modest observer one could look at di Luca and say - idiot - did something dumb and was caught, Nibali - take your hat off to the bloke - waltzes around the testers - then goes up the hill like he is fuelled on Nitro, The last time we saw anyone so dominant at the Giro was Basso. Lance we understand you.
Lance is well smart and that was an outstanding comment from him.
Flying_Monkey
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However, the figures that have been calculated for his estimated power output are not that startling, actually - and certainly don't put him into EPO-era territory.
His average across a range of the toughest climbs in the Giro was between 5.8 and 6.08 W/kg (depending on how you measure it). That is only on the steepest sections, and his average power output for the whole climbs will be much lower. He reached a peak on one small section of the Jaffarau and again in the ITT of between 6.22 and 6.64 but that was only for a couple of hundred metres on each occasion. It's generally acknowledged that above 6.2 on a sustained climb (we're talking 45 minutes to an hour here) is impossible without artificial aid or being unable to continue afterwards. But for very short distances like this, it's quite easily possible. His winning effort at the end of stage 20 was only 5.64 to 5.95.
Form, consistency, good fortune, bad weather and withdrawals of some of his chief rivals are partly responsible for the impression of dominance added to the fact that his team rode a very strongly protective race. Nibali didn't really cut loose until the end, and even then he only won the main mountain stage by 17 seconds - only the second TT was a really amazing performance which raised some eyebrows (if you weren't aware of his TT history). The Italian press were decrying him up until that point as a Giro winner who had not even won a stage!
oldroadman
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Nibali was certainly outstanding, and the watts/kg figures look within the bounds of clean riding. Could it be he battered other riders because they were also clean and maybe less resistant to the weather, and the wearing down effect of a GT?
The problem we have is that some people will always be suspiscious of outstanding performance, and we have history to blame for that. For instance, there are plenty of posters (who appear to be US based) who believe Sky and BW inparticular are "on" something, based on dominant performances. I suppose if your hero has feet of clay then you assume all others are the same, and happily ignore innovation and sports science. But some will remain doubters, which is unfortunate, but just how things are.
The problem we have is that some people will always be suspiscious of outstanding performance, and we have history to blame for that. For instance, there are plenty of posters (who appear to be US based) who believe Sky and BW inparticular are "on" something, based on dominant performances. I suppose if your hero has feet of clay then you assume all others are the same, and happily ignore innovation and sports science. But some will remain doubters, which is unfortunate, but just how things are.
Vincenzo Nibali is similar to Marco Pantani, says Astana manager
By Gregor Brown in Tre Cime di Lavaredo
Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538563/vincenzo-nibali-is-similar-to-marco-pantani-says-astana-manager.html#Vd5JRt60mIltia7z.99
Well he is in a very good position to know.
Oldroadman - we all witnessed the Lance fanboy reaction from 2004 to Oprah in 2013. A total obstinate blind refusal to see what was so obvious. A very good friend took retirement in the early 2000s and was able to go to the Giro and the Tour each year. In his prime he had performed far better than myself and I have a lot of time for much of his opinion. When he came back after one of the Basso Giros we spoke and it was clear that although we had observed the same race we had come to two entirely different conclusions about what we had seen. We spoke again recently and I asked him if he was going to the Giro this year. I can understand his desire not to even want to follow it on TV. He apologised needlessly for consuming my time eulogising about Basso those years ago. I sometimes worry about my own interest given my long term pessimism. I last went to the Tour in 1993. I certainly did not know at the time what was wrong but it was obvious that either a new paradigm was about the sport, which I had missed, or something that was not wholesome was abroad. In 1998 we all knew which one of those two was correct.
Edward Pickering has brought out a good book - Race against time. A close study leaves the reader with only one possible conclusion. The shadow has to be long.
I don't think "fanboy-itus" is limited to the Americas.
By Gregor Brown in Tre Cime di Lavaredo
Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538563/vincenzo-nibali-is-similar-to-marco-pantani-says-astana-manager.html#Vd5JRt60mIltia7z.99
Well he is in a very good position to know.
Oldroadman - we all witnessed the Lance fanboy reaction from 2004 to Oprah in 2013. A total obstinate blind refusal to see what was so obvious. A very good friend took retirement in the early 2000s and was able to go to the Giro and the Tour each year. In his prime he had performed far better than myself and I have a lot of time for much of his opinion. When he came back after one of the Basso Giros we spoke and it was clear that although we had observed the same race we had come to two entirely different conclusions about what we had seen. We spoke again recently and I asked him if he was going to the Giro this year. I can understand his desire not to even want to follow it on TV. He apologised needlessly for consuming my time eulogising about Basso those years ago. I sometimes worry about my own interest given my long term pessimism. I last went to the Tour in 1993. I certainly did not know at the time what was wrong but it was obvious that either a new paradigm was about the sport, which I had missed, or something that was not wholesome was abroad. In 1998 we all knew which one of those two was correct.
Edward Pickering has brought out a good book - Race against time. A close study leaves the reader with only one possible conclusion. The shadow has to be long.
I don't think "fanboy-itus" is limited to the Americas.
Here we go again...
Santambroggio had a great rise (in the beginning of) this season - although I had expected an even better Giro from him -... I am a bit gutted that we still have to look at those things with reserve
Santambroggio had a great rise (in the beginning of) this season - although I had expected an even better Giro from him -... I am a bit gutted that we still have to look at those things with reserve
Gutted. Any cyclist who wasn't woken up by the Armstrong case should be given much harsher than the 2 year ban. Not good that Italians are soiling the Italian spectacle either, what a dick
jdtate101
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Yep Santambrogio's also been a naughty boy. Something is a bit rotten at Vini Fantini. Only positive (pardon the pun) is that these two got busted, and hopefully that will show to any other potential abusers that they really can't get away with it anymore.
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My stomach turns in disgust...
Hont
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More good news. Another obvious doper busted.
