Deaths when not using helmet

[Little yellow Brompton]

In much the same way the Crusades were fought by self-professed Christians, but any dispassionate follower of that religion would surely acknowledge that there was very little "Christian" about them. This is not a fault of science but of (some of) the people who conduct it, and their failure to live up to its principles is indictment of the people not the principles.

Wot E said!

 

[twobiker]

There are too many variables to be able to answer the question of helmet protection,eg, a person skydiving, their parachute fails ,they should die,,but they don't they land in a bush and just break some bones, it is a variable, you cannot factor the variable into the science without creating doubt about its validity, instead of science you have a best guess of what should happen, but often does not.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

No, science can not be a faith. Faith requires belief to start. Science doesn't

Science requires proof, faith doesn't


Science accepts that it is not a perfect ultimate answer , it is only the best answer to date.

Faith proclaims that IT is THE answer.


As for "Fabricated data may not be science but it is fabricated by scientists."
Again you are using an oxymoron, this time as a "big lie"?

Scientists are people who use the scientific method , fabricated data is not a scientific method , therefore( Why is there not a key stroke for that symbol?) those who fabricate data cannot be scientists.

We are expected to place our faith in science all of the time in the believe that it will solve their problems. In that way Science announces itself as The Way and The Truth.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

In much the same way the Crusades were fought by self-professed Christians, but any dispassionate follower of that religion would surely acknowledge that there was very little "Christian" about them. This is not a fault of science but of (some of) the people who conduct it, and their failure to live up to its principles is indictment of the people not the principles.

But to quote an earlier post "They call those people Scientists"!. Now we narrow that down to some scientists.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

We are expected to place our faith in science all of the time in the believe that it will solve their problems. In that way Science announces itself as The Way and The Truth.

No, that's the Daily Wail you have been reading. The scientific method declares from the start that there is no absolute answer, the best that can be offered is the best answer for now!

Newtonian physics was the answer for now, until Einstein came along, Enstein is the asnwer for now, until something better comes along , scientists know this, those that want to have an agenda don't.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

No, that's the Daily Wail you have been reading. The scientific method declares from the start that there is no absolute answer, the best that can be offered is the best answer for now!

Newtonian physics was the answer for now, until Einstein came along, Enstein is the asnwer for now, until something better comes along , scientists know this, those that want to have an agenda don't.

I do not read any newspaper. Science simply moves at a different pace to religion. 3000 years ago teh concept of a single deity was laughable now it is common. How many scientists will tell you that they don;t have faith in current scientific method? How many will tell you they believe in the results of scientific research. That is faith albeit with a subtly different spin.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

I do not read any newspaper. Science simply moves at a different pace to religion. 3000 years ago teh concept of a single deity was laughable now it is common. How many scientists will tell you that they don;t have faith in current scientific method? How many will tell you they believe in the results of scientific research. That is faith albeit with a subtly different spin.

I'm starting to realise that you might not have the language to understand what I'm talking about, ( or I'm crap at explaining it) Please don't take that as an insult.

There is no "current scientific method" the method is imutable, observe, record, form a hypothesis , test your hypothesis by experiment, observe, record, repeat. The results have to believed, they happened! If the paper is published it will be examined (pulled apart) by the scientist's peers, who understand both the method and the methodoligy, then the mejia will get hold of it ....

 

[Angelfishsolo]

And when a new disease appears we place our faith in science to combat it. Before science was accepted the Church would have dealt with such matters. Science is the new religion. It requires those who do not understand it to have faith and those who do to oversee it. Scisms appear over conflicting "proofs" and new new branches of science appear. This is just what happens in religion.
I have simply used the word faith in a way you do not like but answer me this. If ynt did not understand electricity would you have faith the a light would come on when you press a light switch?

 

[benb]

There's a massive difference as to why science is not the same as religion:
Evidence.

 

[tigger]

There's a massive difference as to why science is not the same as religion:
Evidence.

Yet despite that its amazing how many scientists believe in religion. Here's a few christian ones for example

http://en.wikipedia....kers_in_science

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Yet despite that its amazing how many scientists believe in religion. Here's a few christian ones for example

http://en.wikipedia....kers_in_science

Wikipedia, ah ...... ARGHH! Bites tongue... ouch blood, pain, blood, metal taste, lisp! :-(

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

And when a new disease appears we place our faith in science to combat it. Before science was accepted the Church would have dealt with such matters. Science is the new religion. It requires those who do not understand it to have faith and those who do to oversee it. Scisms appear over conflicting "proofs" and new new branches of science appear. This is just what happens in religion.
I have simply used the word faith in a way you do not like but answer me this. If ynt did not understand electricity would you have faith the a light would come on when you press a light switch?

Either I can't explain, you don't want to understand, don't want to admit you understand, or can't understand.

Either way I've broken one of my rules, "never discuss religion" your refusal to accept science and your acceptance of belief in your own experince is a close to religion as makes no difference , I apologise for insulting your religios beliefs.

 

[benb]

Yet despite that its amazing how many scientists believe in religion. Here's a few christian ones for example

http://en.wikipedia....kers_in_science

The personal beliefs of individual scientists are irrelevant, as long as they robustly and transparently adhere to the scientific method.

 

[tigger]

Wikipedia, ah ...... ARGHH! Bites tongue... ouch blood, pain, blood, metal taste, lisp! :-(

Ouch! Sorry about that! The dreaded wiki effect.

It is, however, widely known that many of the worlds pioneering scientists are deeply religious. I've always found this an odd given the science vs religion arguments

 

[ufkacbln]

Bugger! You got to it before me!

I pray that you will find it within yourself to forgive