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- Thumberland
Excellent, I love that! However, it might clash with the silver spangly shoes in the background
dark cycle kit!!
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shouldbeinbed
Rollin' along
- Location
- Manchester way
well yes If I'd said that they you'd be spot on but I didn't so how about answering the question sensibly
Sensible answers don't seem to apply here!
You might just have to settle for a picture of a giant lemon in space or a question on supermarket staff management.
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
- Location
- Meanwood, Leeds
You didn't expect sensible answers to a silly proposition did you?
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It's not about transferring responsibility , its about taking responsibility for yourself. - It's as much up to you to be seen as the driver of a car to see you. - If you make yourself virtually invisible you can't blame the driver for not seeing you.
It really pisses me off these 'Think bike' signs - they should say - 'think car' s , motorbikes put themselves in the most dangerous places around a car , you look were you expect something to be, you cannot hear them in a car and you can't be looking behind all the time.
It's the same for cycles , a driver has a very limited arc of vision and not allot of time to look at any one particular spot, It doesn't take much to miss a bike, look at the wrong moment and its invisible behind a door post.
As cyclist you have to be watching the traffic around you as much - you hope- as they are watching you.
And I know of lots of cases of stupid drivers not looking, but allot of cases they have looked and just not seen you, so it's up to you by clothing , illumination and cycling road position to make sure they can see you.
I don't see that as shifting responsibility.
It really pisses me off these 'Think bike' signs - they should say - 'think car' s , motorbikes put themselves in the most dangerous places around a car , you look were you expect something to be, you cannot hear them in a car and you can't be looking behind all the time.
It's the same for cycles , a driver has a very limited arc of vision and not allot of time to look at any one particular spot, It doesn't take much to miss a bike, look at the wrong moment and its invisible behind a door post.
As cyclist you have to be watching the traffic around you as much - you hope- as they are watching you.
And I know of lots of cases of stupid drivers not looking, but allot of cases they have looked and just not seen you, so it's up to you by clothing , illumination and cycling road position to make sure they can see you.
I don't see that as shifting responsibility.
Nevertheless that's exactly what it is.
shouldbeinbed
Rollin' along
- Location
- Manchester way
I binned my red stuff when my colourblind son happily informed me I was all but invisible stood in front of our garden hedge.
7-10% of the male population are red-green colourblind. one to ponder next time you're riding out in the countryside.
shouldbeinbed
Rollin' along
- Location
- Manchester way
no it doesn't really Black is a popular colour for pedestrians, shop displays, rubbish bins etc, you wear black on the road in a busy urban environment in broad daylight and you merge into the general background hubbub of colour that drivers expect to see. Hi Viz vests/Tshirts with the H shape scotchlite arent as distinctive as they used to be either as they are more ubiquitous nowadays with H&S mandating them for construction/shop fitters/delivery drivers etc.
the things that scream ccylist and really do mark us out from the background noise unfortunately are the things most cyclists overlook because they make us look geeky and leahter elbow patches and sandals cyclists.
Mix a black top with a sam browne belt for example and you stand out a mile more as an on the road cyclist because they are almost exclusively the preserve of the cyclist and provide a very vibrant and eye catching contrast both on yourself and from the street scene around you whether it is 3 in the afternoon or 3 in the morning.
same way pedal reflectors scream cyclist more than a blinky light from a distance.
embrace your inner geek if you want to stand out.
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
- Location
- Meanwood, Leeds
That's an arrestable offence.....
The driver has an absolute responsibility to see me, because he is about to move a ton of metal across the space I am in, with possibly lethal consequences. This would still be the case if I were asleep in the middle of the road. Because we know that drivers do not always take this responsibility seriously, it is wise for us to emphasize our presence - this is more of a courtesy than a responsibility towards drivers, but given what we know, it becomes a responsibility towards ourselves and our loved ones. I prefer said emphasis to take the form of assertive behaviour and simple but adequate lighting, because I like to keep things on the human scale. If others wish to signal their presence through gaudy accoutrements, then I wouldn't presume to interfere, but I'm not convinced that looking like a Playmobil figurine helps remind drivers of our humanity. Placing onerous and disproportionate requirements on cyclists and pedestrians to look like something other than they are is counterproductive, in my view, because it actively encourages motorists to transfer their responsibility onto us.
snorri
Legendary Member
- Location
- East coast, up a bit.
Some typo there??
There can be no timescale, it's an ongoing task, we will never be in a position to achieve total safety, but in the meantime let's not waste time arguing about the dubious value of hi-viz and unite to call for measures which will improve safety for vulnerable road users.
I disagree entirely with the claud on this - If a pedestrian steps out between two parked cars infront of a car - is it the drivers responsibilty he didn't have time to stop , he would have drive at about 1mph to ensure he could stop in time, no it's the pedestrians responsibilty to look before he stepped out. - yes the driver has to drive with that danger in mind and watch out for it - but ultimately its up to to pedestrian to look before steping out.
If a cyclist puts himself in a position , by cycle position or by wearing black at night with no lights, were the driver cannot see him is it the drivers fault, no - the cyclist chose to do that , so it's his responsibilty.
it's your choice not wear hi-vis or have lights or sit in a drivers blind spot - it's your responsibilty.
If you lay down in the road at night , given the limitations of what a driver can see it would be primerilly your fault if you got run over. - for being there in the first place.
I agree drivers have a responsibilty to look and drive at the right speed for the situation - but any other road user has also the responsibilty to make sure he can be seen.
If a cyclist puts himself in a position , by cycle position or by wearing black at night with no lights, were the driver cannot see him is it the drivers fault, no - the cyclist chose to do that , so it's his responsibilty.
it's your choice not wear hi-vis or have lights or sit in a drivers blind spot - it's your responsibilty.
If you lay down in the road at night , given the limitations of what a driver can see it would be primerilly your fault if you got run over. - for being there in the first place.
I agree drivers have a responsibilty to look and drive at the right speed for the situation - but any other road user has also the responsibilty to make sure he can be seen.
