dark cycle kit!!

[bianchi1]

It is good form that if one materially edits one's contributions post-hoc, by adding stuff like the bit highlighted in bold as seems to have happened here, one should have the good grace to flag the fact one has done so or the opinion might be formed that one is nowt but a :troll:

It was my post, just didn't work in the edit like i wanted it to. Haven't been on here for a while.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Its not me honest!!

Greg seems keen to move the discussion toward cycling at night and the fact that no cyclist can ever be to blame for any accident. He asked me find a case where the driver was not at fault. I did, it involved lights! what could i do?

Err no you didn't.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

It was my post, just didn't work in the edit like i wanted it to. Haven't been on here for a while.

Pull the other one. Your one word answer was there for ages before you added the rest.

 

[bianchi1]

Im getting a bit confused now. Are there rules about editing posts...time limits?

I want to make things as clear and visible as possible in everything i do

 

[ufkacbln]

I am assuming that if the police, road workers, ambulance staff, runway staff, lollipop men/women, firemen, in fact anyone who has a vested interest in being seen, use visible clothing there may be some research out there!
Conversely ninjas, assassins and hit men are rarely seen in bright yellow.

As I have mentioned, this seems to be a new phenomenon. I just wondered why, and judging by most of the replies there is a hatred for bright coloured cycle clothing, dress like vomit etc.

Lets take another example.

Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's, M&S, Waitrose, all require their employees to wear HiViz whilst working in the car park

Why on earth are all the shoppers allowed to walk from their cars to the shop and back in dark every day clothing (no HiViz requirement) when it is so obvious that they are placing themselves in mortal danger when they do so?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I'd like to propose that all cyclists riding at twilight and at night in rural areas should restrict themselves to riding only on dead straight stretches of road.

After all, if they are hidden around a bend a following driver travelling at 60mph may not be able to react in time and will have no choice but to run them down.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Im getting a bit confused now. Are there rules about editing posts...time limits?

I want to make things as clear and visible as possible in everything i do

No rules. Just normal netiquette, you go back and ADD something material to your post, like you did, you flag it up by something like

EDIT: I added this bit later.

your original post was one word.

I thought it stunningly callous.

 

[bianchi1]

Possibly, yes, I agree with you (I think) that yellow, red or orange hi-viz is more noticeable than, say, dark green, black or blue. Or purple. I posted, about 18 months ago, that I prefer cyclists in hi viz as a driver as it gives me more time to plan the passing manoeuvre.

My point remains, though, is that necessary? Yellow might be more noticeable than black from 1,000m but, IMO only if the black isn't visible from 100m is it an issue.

To use an analogy, the lights on the front landing gear of a commercial airliner are visible from about 100 miles away. My Exposure bike lights are visible from about a mile. But my bike lights are all that I need on the bike and 20,000 lumens are not needed. Similarly, if I can be adequately visible at 100m wearing black, then why go for overkill with the yellow?

That seems like a fair point, Around here it is possible to see some cyclists wearing bright clothing 'through' hedges a couple of bends in front or as they ride along a lane you are about to meet at a T junction.

I an just a big fan of overkill when it comes to personal safety..If i find a jacket/top that i like, and it is available in a variety of colours, I will always go for the brightest.

Wouldnt dream of forcing others tho, but will never shy away of imparting my theories. Its for others to listen or not...thats debate

 

[GrumpyGregry]

right. I'm off to bed. Black pyjamas and I'll be sleeping in the dark.

You lot. Sort it out overnight. I want an agreed CycleChat policy for approved twilight/nighttime cycling uniform on my desk at 09:00 tomorrow.

and when you've done that, sort out the Helmet debates brigade.

 

[bianchi1]

I'd like to propose that all cyclists riding at twilight and at night in rural areas should restrict themselves to riding only on dead straight stretches of road.

After all, if they are hidden around a bend a following driver travelling at 60mph may not be able to react in time and will have no choice but to run them down.

There are roads that I will not use during certain times of the day.

The dead straight road that heads due South over a local common is a death trap (literally sadly) when the sun is low, Any local lane during a motorbike show at the show ground is off limits. The new bridge in Worcester is horrific during rush hour.

Half of our clubs TT courses have been binned or changed due to safety considerations,

 

[bianchi1]

Lets take another example.

Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's, M&S, Waitrose, all require their employees to wear HiViz whilst working in the car park

Why on earth are all the shoppers allowed to walk from their cars to the shop and back in dark every day clothing (no HiViz requirement) when it is so obvious that they are placing themselves in mortal danger when they do so?

As you mentioned before " A person presenting a potential danger (the companies in this case) to others(the staff) has an absolute responsibility, and cannot abdicate that responsibility" . As the companies are not forcing us walk, in dark clothing through their car parks their responsibility will be negated to some degree. I wouldn't be surprised if there are not some minimum lighting level enforcements in place, but im no supermarket expert. Are you?

Edited by me..added missing speech mark.

 

[BigonaBianchi]

I wear what the conditions dictate...and that includes hi vis if it's going to keep me alive longer. But mostly it's standard cycling shirts etc...I have a hi vis night vision jacket and a red MTB waterproof jacket I wear in dim light or at night...or sometimes jus tbecause its bloody cold.

 

[Aperitif]

Tis done. Zebra stripes are de rigueur.

I have seen some crazy threads this year - this almost needs a soupçon of eau de helmet for maximum impact.

Say 'Hi Viz' - acknowledgement to them.

 

[ufkacbln]

Dashing Tweeds do traditional tweed clothing with twist, they have Scotchlite threaded into the material.

 

[BigonaBianchi]

Eek