Cycle Security Upset

[jefmcg]

Yes, you will be liable for any injuries that result from the use of a booby trap. It's crazy to think I know, particularly if the scoundrel if a thief. But it's the law.

I think it's a good law. I would not want to live in a country where it was legal to set up mantraps. And if you think it's ok to maim people for theft, then let's add torture to the legal code and do it properly. That's ignoring the part where your trap may hurt someone who wasn't attempting theft.

(doesn't apply to the situation that @classic33 describes)

 

[stephec]

It's not a booby trap, the Krank is an audible alarm.

If the thief triggered a PIR sensor that set off a burglar alarm would anyone say that the home owner should be liable for any injuries resulting from surprising Johnny scumbag?

 

[classic33]

Yes, you will be liable for any injuries that result from the use of a booby trap. It's crazy to think I know, particularly if the scoundrel if a thief. But it's the law.

Most would rather a beloved bike be stolen, than end up being taken to court and paying tens of thousands in compensation to the scum that hurt himself on your property. Just get a sufficient lock, anchor and alarm system and hope for the best.

Funny though. Rig up a camera for next time

I have the locks, chains and ground anchor. All of which were in use at the time. Along with the alarm.

If I wanted to rig a booby trap, it would be easy enough do. Easier than fitting the ground anchor, at least.

 

[KnackeredBike]

Trick is to ensure any alarm kills first time, and be friendly with the local pie shop to dispose of the body.

Even that is too good for bike thieves.

 

[classic33]

Trick is to ensure any alarm kills first time, and be friendly with the local pie shop to dispose of the body.

Even that is too good for bike thieves.

Know two local pig farmers, if I went down that route.

The alarm is there to let me know first, then let others know my property is protected. I doubt he'll be telling his mates exactly what happenned, but he knows it not as easy as he first thought.

As for what he'd have done had he got away with it, selling or even just using it wouldn't have been easy.

 

[cyberknight]

Trick is to ensure any alarm kills first time, and be friendly with the local pie shop to dispose of the body.

Even that is too good for bike thieves.

 

[fossyant]

So what DNA did he leave on the chain ring !

"He came at me with a screwdriver officer, and fell on my 53T chain ring" - "What up his buttock ?

 

[classic33]

So what DNA did he leave on the chain ring !

"He came at me with a screwdriver officer, and fell on my 53T chain ring" - "What up his buttock ?

That's putting ideas in my head is that!

 

[jonny jeez]

Yes you will be blamed. Just the same as you would if you put glass on top if your garden wall or razor wire behind your fence.

Should you be blamed?

Who cares? There is nothing we can do about it.

That's not totally true. So long as the barbed wire is a statutory distance from the pathway, it is allowed. At least that's what I learnt from doing the same at my fathers house after his barn was repeatedly burgled.

 

[jonny jeez]

Trick is to ensure any alarm kills first time, and be friendly with the local pie shop to dispose of the body.

Even that is too good for bike thieves.

Perhaps rig the alarm to the handbrake of your hgv.

Then, when that rolls over the theif, you will be let off for sure.

Especially if you are fortunate enough for the theif to actually be on the bike when it happens.

 

[classic33]

Perhaps rig the alarm to the handbrake of your hgv.

Then, when that rolls over the theif, you will be let off for sure.

Especially if you are fortunate enough for the theif to actually be on the bike when it happens.

Only one problem with that plan.

I can't drive, so no HGV. Neighbour does, but he drive is flat gravel. She can get the HGV though.

 

[jonny jeez]

Only one problem with that plan.

I can't drive, so no HGV. Neighbour does, but he drive is flat gravel. She can get the HGV though.

I wouldn't worry, lots of the HGV drivers in London cant drive an HGV either, (some of them legally cant drive them) and they seem to make it workout ok for them

You don't know if you don't try?

 

[Drago]

Plod won't give advice on stuff beyond locks, etc, because with barbed wire and even the positioning of cctv cameras you get into the realms of planning law which is civil.

 

[User482]

The fact is that you would be blamed.

An ex-policeman here doesn't agree.

 

[Drago]

He'd be no more to blame than if he'd heard a noise, switched the light on and Johnny Scumbag pulled away in surprise and hurt himself.

Audible alarms aren't deemed to be a reckless means of protecting property, there's no mens rea to cause harm, no crime.

Saddam the Thief could being a civil action, but then our hero could bring one of his own for trespass by way of reply.