classic33
Leg End Member
Could you go at Twilight?
cycle cafe where cyclists cant meet ????
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Grant Fondo
Guru
- Location
- Cheshire
Cycle Cafeeeee!
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
I went there on Sunday. It's a lovely place and does very nice cake. It was very busy with bike racks in the car park all full. Also plenty of parked cars. Clientelle was mixed with some serious looking lycra cyclists and some very fancy bikes on the racks, unserious cyclists (like me), families, some people who looked to be out hiking and people who looked like they had just popped in. There general area was quite busy with riders - it was a nice day - and I noticed several groups ride past as I was sitting there.
The issue seems to have arisen from just one complainant - the resident(s) of Ivy Cottage (which is for sale) - whose driveway crosses the car park, so could be blocked by people in the car park. There are big signs telling patrons that no bikes are allowed in the shared area and that they should not congregate in this area. There is also a big sign telling people not to use Ivy Cottage's drive as an entrance/exit to the car park (there is another entrance/exit along the road that gives access to the car park only). There's also a big sign requesting that people do not use the car park outside of opening hours. As far as I could tell people were complying with these signs.
Overall the problem stems from lax use of language on the part of of the Inspector from the Planning Inspectorate, and the council interpreting this ambiguous wording in an excessive manner suiting their own agenda.
It's possible that - following their embarrassing climbdown after issuing threats of legal action against cycling clubs who use the cafe, they may be beginning to realise that they may well end with more egg on their face, and may be seen to be pursuing an expensive vendetta. (I await the response to this FOI request with interest)
It could be that the signage that I saw comprises the "interim mitigation measures" referred to in this tweet, which seems to imply a softening of attitude.
View: https://twitter.com/RBWM/status/1167388777188397056
The issue seems to have arisen from just one complainant - the resident(s) of Ivy Cottage (which is for sale) - whose driveway crosses the car park, so could be blocked by people in the car park. There are big signs telling patrons that no bikes are allowed in the shared area and that they should not congregate in this area. There is also a big sign telling people not to use Ivy Cottage's drive as an entrance/exit to the car park (there is another entrance/exit along the road that gives access to the car park only). There's also a big sign requesting that people do not use the car park outside of opening hours. As far as I could tell people were complying with these signs.
Overall the problem stems from lax use of language on the part of of the Inspector from the Planning Inspectorate, and the council interpreting this ambiguous wording in an excessive manner suiting their own agenda.
It's possible that - following their embarrassing climbdown after issuing threats of legal action against cycling clubs who use the cafe, they may be beginning to realise that they may well end with more egg on their face, and may be seen to be pursuing an expensive vendetta. (I await the response to this FOI request with interest)
It could be that the signage that I saw comprises the "interim mitigation measures" referred to in this tweet, which seems to imply a softening of attitude.
View: https://twitter.com/RBWM/status/1167388777188397056
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
^^^ Oh dear, a community warden not in their government mandated fluorescent. They actually have no powers unless wearing their full uniform, including florrie and ID card.
Perhaps the carncil should be more honest and say "by not throwing our legal weight around in an expensive, amateurish and unnecessary manner, we can reach a solution."
And if they intend to carry out directed surveillance on these premises, they require an IPA authorisation. It's like RIPA, but without the R. They're not randomly patrolling and coming across stuff, they're actively "monitoring the site", and that requires an IPA signing off. Seems like everyone at the Carncil is a rank amateur.
Perhaps the carncil should be more honest and say "by not throwing our legal weight around in an expensive, amateurish and unnecessary manner, we can reach a solution."
And if they intend to carry out directed surveillance on these premises, they require an IPA authorisation. It's like RIPA, but without the R. They're not randomly patrolling and coming across stuff, they're actively "monitoring the site", and that requires an IPA signing off. Seems like everyone at the Carncil is a rank amateur.
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Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
In answer to the FOI request about the complaints, it seems that two complaints were made over two years. Story here. I think both from the same complainant.
Story here: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/...omplaints-two-years-despite-threat-ban-436888
FOI request (incl attachment) here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/details_of_incidents_allegations#incoming-1427657
The FOI request on the costs reports that the total cost to the borough as at 24th Aug was £6,813.00
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cost_of_legal_action_against_vel
Story here: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/...omplaints-two-years-despite-threat-ban-436888
FOI request (incl attachment) here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/details_of_incidents_allegations#incoming-1427657
The FOI request on the costs reports that the total cost to the borough as at 24th Aug was £6,813.00
Question:
I wish to know the cost to date to the Borough of legal action taken
against The Velolife Cafe, Warrren Row, including but not limited to
proceedings in Reading Crown Court on 29 July 2019, preparations for the
proceedings in November 2019 and any other cost incurred in pursuit of the
Borough’s enforcement of Planning Inspectorate Appeal Ref
APP/T0355/C/17/3188329
Answer:
At the time of your request the figure was £6813.00
I wish to know the cost to date to the Borough of legal action taken
against The Velolife Cafe, Warrren Row, including but not limited to
proceedings in Reading Crown Court on 29 July 2019, preparations for the
proceedings in November 2019 and any other cost incurred in pursuit of the
Borough’s enforcement of Planning Inspectorate Appeal Ref
APP/T0355/C/17/3188329
Answer:
At the time of your request the figure was £6813.00
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cost_of_legal_action_against_vel
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
Indeed ... some shocking revelations in there. It seems that a green hose pipe was used for bicycle washing. The council soon put a stop to that nonsense.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
If you've been there and liked it enough you might want to consider recommending them as CTC Cycling Cafe of the Year
https://www.cyclinguk.org/webform/cyclist-cafe-year-2019
https://www.cyclinguk.org/webform/cyclist-cafe-year-2019
EltonFrog
Legendary Member
Done.
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Nearly 7 gees of public money wasted on this rubbish. Meanwhile, car use in the borough runs rampant and unchecked, despite local and national government imposed targets to reduce pollution and emissions.
Perhaps cyclists could forward their own local council candidates next time around?
Perhaps cyclists could forward their own local council candidates next time around?
classic33
Leg End Member
Field maybe?
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Yeah, Chrome autocolonic thinks it can spelunker betterware than I came.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
British Cycling has announced that the daft council has now agreed to the dismissal of its claim for an injunction against the cafe's proprietor.
Hooray!
View: https://twitter.com/BritishCycling/status/1194986358382714883
Hooray!
View: https://twitter.com/BritishCycling/status/1194986358382714883
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Common sense prevails!
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
I'd still like to hear from the council as to why they pushed this as hard as they did, bearing in mind the sole complainer was the previous landlord of the same premises when it used to be a pub.
