CTC forum thread on 'Charity' status

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GregCollins said:
Such a person would have to advertise the fact that they are actually going to the AGM surely?

and don't proxy votes have to be registered at CTC HQ (aka Crackpot Towers)
again - I don't know. The only time someone was foolish enough to give me her proxy vote she turned up in person - and then insisted we consumed vast amounts of alcohol before going on a shopping rampage....

I'll find out at the weekend
 
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I know I'm using this thread as a place to plant stray thoughts, but I must admit I'm mystified by the 'pro' campaign. It reminds me of an education programme on at some eerie hour of the night. You might look at it if you were completely bored, or if you had an interest in the subject of the programme, but there's no attempt to engage. And nobody's attempting to paper over the cracks.

All very odd..........
 

theclaud

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dellzeqq said:
the User is raising the question of proxy votes at the Council meeting this coming Saturday, and I should be able to report back on Monday. And, yes, the CTC's record on proxy voting is less than inspiring. I recall the former Chair having to be reminded that the proxy votes counted....

Bumpetty-bump! Any news from User on this?
 
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yes. I attended the Council meeting, which was a good deal more exciting than any I attended during my own stint. Some fairly big stuff was discussed, and there was some falling out. And there was stuff that was beyond satire. Not providing a link to the 'nay' campaign on the CTC website is, apparently, about showing leadership. And hang on for my thread on the CTC and disability....

Having said that, it was nice to see old friends, even those I disagree with. It was a bit weird being referred to in the third person, and having supposedly clever (actually highly, highly foolish) remarks addressed at me by the Chair.

So - voting

Greg succeeded, with support from John Catt and Kevin Mayne in getting a motion passed putting the matter in to the hands of the Electoral Reform Society. It'll cost about £4,000, but there's some savings elsewhere.

As for proxies

every proxy vote will have to be registered with the ERS 48 hours before the AGM

you can proxy vote in three different ways
  • you can appoint the chair and, in effect, cast your votes beforehand by simply mandating the chair to vote in a certain way
  • you can appoint someone else and do the same thing
  • you can appoint someone else and let them cast your vote as they see fit. This enables your vote to be applied to amendments
I should say that I cannot conceive of amendments being made to the Special Resolution at the AGM. It would open the resulting vote open to a legal challenge.

Postal voting is very simple - you just send your form in to the ERS

I'll bring this post to Greg's attention and, if I've got it wrong, he'll put it right...
 

theclaud

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OK thanks. from the amount of talk about proxy voting, I didn't even realise postal voting was an option on this one.
 
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some people are concerned about amendments - they think that they will be disenfranchised if some cleverclogs comes along and get an amendment passed. Put bluntly some people think that one or two people on Council would be not above proposing an amendment if they thought that the postal votes were against the Special Resolution. I do not for a second think that will happen.
 

theclaud

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dellzeqq said:
some people are concerned about amendments - they think that they will be disenfranchised if some cleverclogs comes along and get an amendment passed. Put bluntly some people think that one or two people on Council would be not above proposing an amendment if they thought that the postal votes were against the Special Resolution. I do not for a second think that will happen.

It all seems to make sense. Though it would be nice if the forms were made available earlier, to see if it's as straightforward in practice as it sounds in theory...
 

Bollo

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Thanks for the report Simon. I didn't realise postal voting was an option either. Sorry for testing your patience on the mechanics of how this is going to work, but do we have to apply for a postal vote or will forms be sent out automatically?
 
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Bollo said:
Thanks for the report Simon. I didn't realise postal voting was an option either. Sorry for testing your patience on the mechanics of how this is going to work, but do we have to apply for a postal vote or will forms be sent out automatically?
they'll be in the mag - not the issue coming out this week, but the next one.

I'd forgotten something! If there are two or more members in the same house they'll have to get additional forms.
 
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sheddy said:
Congrats on getting the NO vote side into the Mag (read today)
In fairness that's down to the editorial committee. What do you think? I've only seen a pre-print version (I thought the type was a bit cramped, and the photograph at the top was too big and not very interesting, but Dan had to tick the designers off to limit the photo to the size it was).
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
I think the presentation of the debate is admirable, and reflects well on the CTC. There's one "pro charity" letter in the letters page, Simon's "anti" piece and a "pro" piece of equal length on facing pages, and ... that's it. I'll be interested to see what the NewsNet thingamabob does.

I must also read the pieces and make up my mind - I'm in the camp that doesn't go in for local activity.
 

Bollo

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I haven't got my copy of Cycle yet, but I've just received a nice email from Richard Bates (SE Councillor) telling me about how great it's all going to be.

While it is admirable that the CTC are allowing some form of debate within the pages of Cycle, I agree with Simon that the one-sided access to Newsnet and the associated email list is a touch Berlusconiesque.
 

sunnyjim

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I've been following this with interest, but not with any conviction either way, and being a passive member, not really having any right to make judgements. However, I'm beginning to get suspicious.

quote email rxvd today
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Dear CTC member in Scotland

When I first started my time as Councillor for Scotland, three years ago, we were told that the legal requirements for transforming CTC membership organisation into a charity had been fully investigated and there were no significant problems.

The reason to look at this was mainly because of the increasing administrative complications of dealing with two parts of one CTC. Also as more and more CTC activity was being done under the Trust, it meant that there was at least a nominal risk to democratic control of the whole. Even though the sole Trustee of the Charity is the CTC, represented by four elected Councillors who act as Trustees, it is clumsy and a rather unwieldy.

As a new boy, coming mainly from cycle campaigning, I was a bit concerned about any possible curbing of CTC’s freedom to be critical of the powers that be. Along with several others we wanted, and got, more investigation and consideration. It has been a long drag with my personal inquiries, workshops looking at other experiences and alternatives and significantly a change in the law allowing full-on advocacy and benefits to members. The key is that what is done is in the public interest. With an increasingly inclusive Club this is no problem.

Finally we paid for an in depth Independent Review of CTC Governance by Cass Business School of City University London, whose recommendations were adopted by the Council and are the basis for us moving forward.

The CTC Charitable Trust, was set up when the new National Office was being built at Guildford to take advantage of the savings charities enjoy. Soon after that Big Lottery money the CTC received as part of an Active Travel programme (partly because we now had a Charitable arm) allowed CTC cycle promotion officers to start CTC work across England. The first ‘Gathering’ of Scottish membership in November 2007 made it clear that similar work should be done in Scotland. We have been trying to get funding since then and the two Bike Club officers coming to Scotland shortly, thanks to ASDA Trust money, will be the first CTC professionals we have had.

Meanwhile CTC has been blossoming over the last couple of years, in terms of membership and activities, as cycling moves up the public and political agenda. Each new piece of work the CTC Trust has engaged in has spread the word and also brought income to the Club to improve its services.

The idea now is to convert the CTC membership organisation into a charity. This will then allow it to be merged with the CTC Charitable Trust. I am convinced there is no cogent reason it shouldn’t. We will then have what we have now except as a simpler whole, with guaranteed democracy but without the admin hassle.

There will also be some financial advantages. Funders like working with charities and there will be gift aid potential on subscriptions which will all go to improving the club.

OK – so why don’t we just get on with it. Well it is your Club and it needs 75% of your votes at a CTC AGM to make this sort of change.

That would normally be fine but democracy is a fragile animal. You will see in your copy of Cycle this weekend that a platform has been given to an ex Councillor Simon Legg who has taken against the process and is actively campaigning in South-West London against the vote. You will see that he wants to turn the clock back and contract into a mainly exclusive cycle ride organisation, with services. A few ‘antis’ and their friends using the Proxy voting system could upset the progress being made.

CTC does all that Simon calls for but has become so much more. The arguments he uses to turn back just don’t stand up to scrutiny. Unfortunately this challenge has meant that an enormous amount of extra time and effort has had to go into doing just that by staff, Councillors and advisors. This is on top of the normal rigorous oversight of all CTC activities which must be as thorough as for any dynamic, democratic operation.

There is no suggestion of fraud, but the implication of mismanagement and a ‘them and us’ culture could be seen as an insult to the enthusiastic, hard working and dedicated staff as well as the volunteer Councillors who set and check the agenda. CTC Project accounts, audited by funders as well as CTC’s independent auditors, have been gone through with a fine tooth comb by extremely well qualified Councillors. All ended up adding to Club funds, some rather more that was intended. There is no case made.

When I joined Council I never thought I’d be interested in the admin. side, but this vote is important. It is about growing the CTC family and improving services while sharing our experience, know how and the pleasures of cycling with everyone else.

Please use your Proxy vote in the Apr-May Cycle, if you can’t get to the AGM, to ensure a smooth passage so we can get on with the work of the CTC ‘Vision’. Alternatively you can nominate myself, David Robinson, CTC chair, or another to vote on your behalf.

Normally enjoying your cycling is what matters most, but in this case it is your vote which can really make the difference in ensuring an ongoing happy, healthy club.

Best regards.


Peter Hayman
CTC Councillor, Scotland " /quote
 
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