How do you "suddenly wheel spin" on an automatic?
Crashed into whilst using cycle lane!!!
- Thread starter Wankelschrauben
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How do you "suddenly wheel spin" on an automatic?
As I said, try and report it as an accident then and see what happens.
I'm not here to argue with anyone, I'm simply trying to point out the law and the law says this isn't an accident so the other party has therefore not failed to stop.
I'm sorry if that's not what anyone wants to hear but it's also true. Someone has even posted the relevant act and section explaining this.
mcshroom
Bionic Subsonic
- Location
- Egremont, Cumbria
Shove it in the manual override or 'overtaking' gear (1 or 2 rather than F).
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
Please point out where in the law it backs up what you state, and why the police won't do anything?
So far you have provided nothing to back up you own argument and no one agrees with you.
Read the relevant part of post 24, it quite clearly states what an accident is within the meaning of the act. It's been there for days, all you have to do is read it.
Also I never said the police wouldn't do anything, I said it couldn't be reported as an accident because in law, it wasn't one. Neither is it a fail to stop and exchange details because that requires an accident. If you read my first post in the thread, I said the driving itself probably constitutes an offence of careless or possibly dangerous driving though proving it will be virtually impossible.
As for backing up my argument, I've already stated I'm not here to argue. I'm simply stating what is the law, everyone can disagree all they like, it's still the law.
Yebbut whether you do it manually or using the kick down there is quite a flurry of engine and gearbox activity before you can spin the wheels. If it were a manual I can see it being a surprise but not with the build up of activity associated with doing it in an automatic. Not that it makes what happened any less reprehensible, I was just trying to put myself in the driver's position and work out how I would spin the wheels to create an oversteer slide in an automatic from a quasi standing start and therefore whether it would have been deliberate or he got an unexpected fishtail when he put his foot down.
GrasB
Veteran
- Location
- Nr Cambridge
Quite easily, floor the throttle without TC turned on. This will do 2 things, make the 'box change down & force the turbo to spool up quickly. You've just made a situation of a sudden large increase in torque applied to the wheels. Without any TC it's a case of mechanical grip v's torque.
I would also add that some of the Merc auto boxes don't seem to cope that well with aggressive use of the throttle at low speed, making jerky changes which has a very similar effect to letting the clutch out to quickly on a manual with a heavy throttle application.
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
No one has said report it as an accident. Your whole 'argument' is based around something that nobody has said and nobody agrees with.
As with post number 24, section 170 of the RTA is titled Duty of driver to stop, report accident and give information or documents. As such it does not describe what the law actually sees as an accident or a collision as a whole but only the definition of one that would require the drive to stop and supply information.
lulubel
Über Member
- Location
- Malaga, Spain
Quite easily if it has plenty of torque. Just floor it with traction control turned off. (I went rallying in a Vauxhall Senator a few times, and spinning the wheels as you pulled away from checkpoints was a great way to scare the marshalls who had just been making rude remarks about your automatic executive car!)
Fiona N
Veteran
I cannot understand your point I'm afraid.
There was a Road Traffic Collision. Two vehicles were involved, contact was made, the cyclist falls as a result of the collision. According to the OP, the driver failed to stop to exchange details or give the cyclist the opportunity to obtain details, or to even ensure that the other party was ok.
The driver failed to stop. The injury element is neither here nor there. It also could be deliberate, which leads down other legal avenues.
There is no point, I was merely trying to help the OP.
Many people were and still are stating it was an accident. It wasn't, an accident report will not be completed if it is reported to the police. The police may investigate due to the driving aspect but they will not be investigating a none stop RTC.
They will be investigating a careless or dangerous drive.
I don't understand why so many people here are so keen to start something out of nothing. I am simply pointing out the law, not giving a personal opinion.
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
lol!!!! You where the first to mention anything about accident!
Either way an RTC report will be sent to a specific traffic unit for an area and traffic cops investigate it. Anything reported properly is not just brushed under the carpet.
What ever experiences you have had does not mean that everything similar is not looked at.
I've even reported an incident when there was no collision using the RTC form and it's being taken very seriously.
