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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Suggests to you that in your area at least all the oldsters have had a first jab?
Or maybe that they cannot get to the vaccination centre easily in the morning with icy pavements/roads and reduced bus and dial-a-ride services?
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
My mother (86, Kingston Upon Thames) received a letter in the post today inviting her to book a jab through the wider vaccine programme. Within minutes of opening it she had a phone call from her GP practice offering her an appointment on Sunday in the church hall next to the surgery. Two offers in a day, so the system seems to be working well.
That's the problem the wider one has been set above the tried and tested primary care network and has no access to anything. Inc medical records. So invites are going out based on are only they have no idea of other health conditions GP's have no idea what it's up to I've know of a few multiple offers inc some with who have had 3 offers.
One word of warning it turns out if you have your first jab at one of national centres your GP can't give you the second one.
 
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kingrollo

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That's the problem the wider one has been set above the tried and tested primary care network and has no access to anything. Inc medical records. So invites are going out based on are only they have no idea of other health conditions GP's have no idea what it's up to I've know of a few multiple offers inc some with who have had 3 offers.
One word of warning it turns out if you have your first jab at one of national centres your GP can't give you the second one.

....and that last paragraph says it all really.
 

newfhouse

Resolutely on topic
One word of warning it turns out if you have your first jab at one of national centres your GP can't give you the second one.
In this case the simple option is for her to go via her GP. I assume that someone will find the regional centre more convenient so her doses there won’t be wasted.
 

BoldonLad

Not part of the Elite
Location
South Tyneside
That's the problem the wider one has been set above the tried and tested primary care network and has no access to anything. Inc medical records. So invites are going out based on are only they have no idea of other health conditions GP's have no idea what it's up to I've know of a few multiple offers inc some with who have had 3 offers.
One word of warning it turns out if you have your first jab at one of national centres your GP can't give you the second one.

I am assuming this means "on age only" ?

How are they determining this? ie, from electoral roll, or, from GP Patient records? (if you know that is)
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
What's the general feeling on here regarding the vaccination program impact on infection rates, hospitalisation numbers and death rates in, say, the next month or so?
In the next month the death rates are, sadly, more or less 'baked in'. However on a 2 month view I reckon the reduction in death rates due to vaccination (of at least one dose by today (13 Jan) will be significant. I think one of John Campbell's videos estimated 6,000 less deaths by 1 April, with an optimistic roll-out and delivery of the programme. Since this reduction would be spread roughly and increasing over Feb and March, this might be -50 on 1 Feb rising to -200 by 1 Apr.
On hospitalisation numbers, I think the vaccination programme will have a progressively beneficial effect (I bloody well hope so). These very recent PHE graphs:
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The hospitalisations graph shows there's about an equal number of over 85s and under 85s admitted. By 1 Feb it'd reasonable to assume that every over 85 has had (or at least been offered, don't know what the take up is) the first dose and had 12 days to develop 80% resistance to infection and 80% will therefore not get infected and those that do (no vaccine gives complete assurance of immunity) will experience less severe symptoms, hopefully keeping many of that remaining 20% not needing treatment in hospital. So might we assume that (due to vaccination) admissions to hospital (due to COVID-19) of over 85s will be cut by 90+%?
On infection rates, only a small percentage of those testing positive for COVID-19 are over 80, so the effect of the vaccination programme (NB first dose + 12 days) will be very limited in the next month and be dwarfed by the effect of improved (enforced) reduction in risk of infection behavior by the population.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
One word of warning it turns out if you have your first jab at one of national centres your GP can't give you the second one.
Where did you get that from, Tom? The jabbed person will have a note saying which vaccine they've had (so their GP would be able to refer to that to make sure they could follow like with like (NB not before April if it's a 12 week interval). Or is this a records or an IT issue (of whatever variety)?
 

tom73

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Location
Yorkshire
In this case the simple option is for her to go via her GP. I assume that someone will find the regional centre more convenient so her doses there won’t be wasted.
Look's to be best way if she's wan't someone who she knows and knows something about her.
If anyone is wondering the GP lead large hubs are fine it's the big mass ones that's the problem. They look to be the next nightingale hospitals all for show and good PR but little else.
 
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nickyboy

Norven Mankey
Or maybe that they cannot get to the vaccination centre easily in the morning with icy pavements/roads and reduced bus and dial-a-ride services?

No, that's not correct

1) He was offered a number of slots at varying times of the day
2) No icy pavements or roads
3) There are buses every 10 minutes within a short walk of the vaccination centre

The reality is that all the over 80s who want a vaccination in the area have had their first dose. The second doses have been deferred leaving these slots available for other groups
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
If you say so, I am quite willing to accept I am wrong ;)

You're right. Revalidating a process for a new vial size is not a trivial exercise, even if the given filling line is capable of it, which it may or may not be.

Additionally, a new fill size may be deemed a significant change and require months of new stability data. That will depend on things like the headspace, container closure system etc. Particularly for sterile processes like this, changes requires a lot of data to prove the process is working in practice, not just that it's OK in principle.
 
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