COVID Vaccine !

[LarryDuff]

Mrs Duff works in intensive care but hasn't got a date for her vaccination, however her senior management who never see patients have had theirs already.

 

[Cathryn]

My parents are getting dose 1 tomorrow and dose 2 on 12th January.
Given that I work in a school, I am thinking that it is still not wise to meet up until after I have had the vaccine (whenever that will be) What do others think?

I work in a school too. My 'theory' is that Primary Schools (where I work) are less risky than secondary and that I'll have been home and not mixing for a week before Christmas so meeting up with my parents should be do-able. But who knows.

 

[marinyork]

My parents are getting dose 1 tomorrow and dose 2 on 12th January.
Given that I work in a school, I am thinking that it is still not wise to meet up until after I have had the vaccine (whenever that will be) What do others think?

I'd worry you might be waiting a very long time .

Assuming your parents live in an area of lower virus incidence recorded around 84 cases per 100,000, I think a lack of any other information it's reasonable to plan careful visits to your parents from 19th January (7 days after the second vaccine). Get some tests nearer the time from kirkless or york or somewhere, assuming they haven't been reassigned to areas that need them by then, which I do honestly wonder may happen. You know all the information anyway, it's how much you'll worry about it.

Of course if you were making a visit around the 19th January and the cases were jumping around like mexican beans and say happened to be around 250 per 100,000 like another poster on here I'd be the first to say don't do it. Actually I didn't say that to another poster because it'd have pissed them off, but what can you do.

 

[Julia9054]

I'd worry you might be waiting a very long time .

Assuming your parents live in an area of lower virus incidence recorded around 84 cases per 100,000, I think a lack of any other information it's reasonable to plan careful visits to your parents from 19th January (7 days after the second vaccine). Get some tests nearer the time from kirkless or york or somewhere, assuming they haven't been reassigned to areas that need them by then, which I do honestly wonder may happen. You know all the information anyway, it's how much you'll worry about it.

Of course if you were making a visit around the 19th January and the cases were jumping around like mexican beans and say happened to be around 250 per 100,000 like another poster on here I'd be the first to say don't do it. Actually I didn't say that to another poster because it'd have pissed them off, but what can you do.

Yes, things can change very quickly. Where I live, cases are low and decreasing currently although the secondary schools in central Harrogate (including mine) have been hit badly.
My parents live in Preston - currently 252/100,000 and on the rise whilst the surrounding areas are decreasing. I’m very glad they have a date for their vaccinations - thought it might be a bit longer for my mum as she is only 79.

 

[winjim]

The vaccines all work against the same target, the spike protein. The spike protein is what has mutated and made the virus more virulent. The more virulent strain will naturally become the more prevalent.

We may be about to find out just how quickly the vaccine program can move.

 

[mjr]

The vaccines all work against the same target, the spike protein. The spike protein is what has mutated and made the virus more virulent. The more virulent strain will naturally become the more prevalent.

We may be about to find out just how quickly the vaccine program can move.

I think it was "How To Vaccinate The World" that this morning described the variant as a "tweak" rather than the scale of change which might stop the vaccine working.

With the spike mutating, we might need new vaccines each year like for flu, if spike-dependent vaccines turn out to be the only sort.

 

[Unkraut]

Germany has a large anti-vax cohort and it was felt that relying on emergency procedure would give that group an excuse to refuse vaccination.

The figures I saw a couple of days ago on this were 50% of the population were quite happy to be vaccinated, 30% had reservations about it and 20% didn't want anything to do with it. Personally I'm in the 30% but I doubt if in the end this will stop me having the jab. I do wonder about longer-term side-effects, but those in the know all seem to agree that whilst not impossible, this is highly unlikely.

@marinyork the regulations for who is vaccinated first have just been published - they haven't had time to translate them into English yet - and there are no surprises as to the order. Over 80's first, those in homes and the nursing staff to care for them have highest priority. Then over 70's are high, third tranche over 60's raised priority, both according to pre-existing medical conditions and how serious they are. Public sector workers will be vaccinated according to their exposure to the virus from intensive care at the top and gradually working down to police, fire brigade and teachers.

According to supply those with a lower priority will not necessarily have to wait for the highest priority to have all been vaccinated first before they get their shot.

 

[marinyork]

NHS gets pissed off at the government, in part for them repeatedly declining to answer how much vaccine is here (good article though).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/nhs-leaders-raise-concerns-pace-covid-vaccine-rollout

 

[srw]

Mrs Duff works in intensive care but hasn't got a date for her vaccination, however her senior management who never see patients have had theirs already.

I was told today, somewhat to my surprise, that some companies have already paid to have senior staff vaccinated.

 

[srw]

one reason the EU has taken longer to approve is that the Germans in particular were looking for a regular approval, not an emergency approval.

In reality, the difference of a couple of weeks in the first vaccination is completely irrelevant. What counts is how quickly the thing is stuffed into the arms of very large numbers of people. I'd put decent money on that happening more quickly in Germany than in the UK.

 

[mjr]

Vaccine shoved in arms of Biden and Faucci very publicly to reassure hesitant public. No sign of Trump being vaccinated but maybe he's immune.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5C76XMCJCVs

 

[mjr]

Apparently, there is a minor problem with the Russian vaccine:

Don't mix Sputnik vaccine with alcohol, says Russian official. Some recoil | Reuters – https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-alcoho-idUSKBN28J239

 

[Unkraut]

Vaccine shoved in arms of Biden and Faucci very publicly to reassure hesitant public. No sign of Trump being vaccinated but maybe he's immune.

Trump is immune to a lot of things!

Anyway, regarding the hesitant public, I wonder if we are about to see another case of irrationality emerge. The anti-lockdown hygiene crowd base their argument on corona 'only' being fatal to about 1% of the population, many of whom are elderly and already ill.

From what I have seen from the vaccine/epidemiology community, including the person who discovered of the mRNA technique the new vaccine being developed has very little chance of producing side effects. It has been widely tested for this prior to approval, enough to discover potential or actual problems, though they cannot absolutely rule them out.

If the chances of a problem with the vaccine are vastly less than the chances of serious illness from corona, it is illogical to argue against widespread use of the vaccine on the basis it might be harmful. The disease is a greater threat than the cure.

 

[marinyork]

Singapore to vaccinate the entire population that want/can have it.

 

[BoldonLad]

Mrs Duff works in intensive care but hasn't got a date for her vaccination, however her senior management who never see patients have had theirs already.

Why does this not surprise me?