Lack of demand
there is certainly no shortage of vaccines. In fact, risk of it going out of date. We’ve now started to hit the “don’t want” groups.
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there is certainly no shortage of vaccines. In fact, risk of it going out of date. We’ve now started to hit the “don’t want” groups.
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Bit touchy?
Directed at no-one specifically, you just seem to think everyone will be affected by the lifting of restrictions whereas for plenty of people it will make no difference at all.
I like to point out your World isn't the only one in existence, field based workers for example.
Don't make statements that aren't true then, loads of people will carry on as they have been for ages, just because you think there's going to be a massive change in your world, for many nothing has altered.
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Punkawallah
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Who knew that Zoom shrank your world? :-)
Well, I got PCRed negative, was nice to get out of the house yesterday, even if briefly!
So either my exposure wasn't too bad, or one dose 5 weeks ago did its job. Could be both or neither.
No classical COVID symptoms at any point (some coughing, but that just goes with asthma). I did feel in a general malaise the day after I got the ping, but that was quite likely just stress.
Ajax Bay
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Back on topic:
https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...OVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview
Good graphical information showing 68.9% first dose in 18 to 29 age group in Scotland.
Wales at 73.4% on the same age band:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55855220
The no jabs for adolescents recommendation on which JCVI may or may not have decided, has been well trailed. I hope they allow 16 and 17yo to be vaccinated: it will help towards herd immunity.
https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...OVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview
Good graphical information showing 68.9% first dose in 18 to 29 age group in Scotland.
Wales at 73.4% on the same age band:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55855220
The no jabs for adolescents recommendation on which JCVI may or may not have decided, has been well trailed. I hope they allow 16 and 17yo to be vaccinated: it will help towards herd immunity.
Ajax Bay
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The JCVI said yesterday that "[We are] of the view that the health benefits of universal vaccination below the age of 18 years do not outweigh the potential risks." The decision is not made on supply or logistic constraints. More details here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-aged-12-to-17-years-jcvi-statement 5
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-aged-12-to-17-years-jcvi-statement 5
Ajax Bay
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Antibody Response
The interval between vaccine doses for Pfizer/BioNTech (mRNA) vaccine was lengthened in the UK to accelerate population coverage with a single dose, and was strongly opposed by the BMA et al (the longer gap had not been tested).
JCVI were very confident in their judgement (implemented wef 31 Dec) and new research has backed their educated hunch: a 10+ week gap may have resulted in a stronger response to the second dose.
The preprint from the PITCH study* suggested that after a priming first dose of that vaccine, there was a marked decline in neutralising antibody responses over a 10-week period, but that T-cell responses were well-maintained. As a single dose of vaccine is known to offer significant protection, this suggests that T cells may be an important part of the protection from illness mechanism.
It found that following the second dose, the longer interval resulted in twice as high neutralising antibodies against all variants of the virus, including the Delta variant, compared with the shorter dosing interval.
* Led by the Universities of Oxford and Liverpool - 503 healthcare workers.
An expert commented: ". . . vaccinologists will not be surprised by the findings of this study".
Edit: The takeaway is, younger ones: bear in mind that the shorter the gap between jabs the lower overall protection you'll develop. Balanced against that, protection of only 33% after first jab improves to (say) 80% (figures vary between vaccine, protection 'gainst what and within a confidence interval). So getting the second jab at less than 10 weeks maybe one sweet now rather than two later.
The interval between vaccine doses for Pfizer/BioNTech (mRNA) vaccine was lengthened in the UK to accelerate population coverage with a single dose, and was strongly opposed by the BMA et al (the longer gap had not been tested).
JCVI were very confident in their judgement (implemented wef 31 Dec) and new research has backed their educated hunch: a 10+ week gap may have resulted in a stronger response to the second dose.
The preprint from the PITCH study* suggested that after a priming first dose of that vaccine, there was a marked decline in neutralising antibody responses over a 10-week period, but that T-cell responses were well-maintained. As a single dose of vaccine is known to offer significant protection, this suggests that T cells may be an important part of the protection from illness mechanism.
It found that following the second dose, the longer interval resulted in twice as high neutralising antibodies against all variants of the virus, including the Delta variant, compared with the shorter dosing interval.
* Led by the Universities of Oxford and Liverpool - 503 healthcare workers.
An expert commented: ". . . vaccinologists will not be surprised by the findings of this study".
Edit: The takeaway is, younger ones: bear in mind that the shorter the gap between jabs the lower overall protection you'll develop. Balanced against that, protection of only 33% after first jab improves to (say) 80% (figures vary between vaccine, protection 'gainst what and within a confidence interval). So getting the second jab at less than 10 weeks maybe one sweet now rather than two later.
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mjr
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Ireland vaccinating 16 and 17 year olds. 18+ can also choose AZ or Janssen, as well as default Pfizer or Moderna. https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-vaccine-portal-open-for-people-aged-16-17-5506742-Jul2021/
classic33
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Irish Government approves Covid vaccines for 12-15 year-olds.
"Speaking on a visit to a vaccination centre at Punchestown Racecourse in Co Kildare, Minister Donnelly said the online portal to register for a Covid-19 vaccine will be opened to 12 to 15 year-olds "very quickly"."
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0727/1237529-coronavirus-vaccine/
"Speaking on a visit to a vaccination centre at Punchestown Racecourse in Co Kildare, Minister Donnelly said the online portal to register for a Covid-19 vaccine will be opened to 12 to 15 year-olds "very quickly"."
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0727/1237529-coronavirus-vaccine/
mjr
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Facebook says Irish anti-vaxxers group that coordinates fake bookings and reviews is OK by them. https://www.thejournal.ie/anti-vax-cert-facebook-page-businesses-targetted-5507965-Jul2021/
classic33
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If you took the time to read it, it's not anti vaxxers, it's digital covid certificates that are the cause of the problem. You require both jabs to be allowed indoors, when they reopened.
"On the Facebook page of around 600 members, people opposed to the use of Covid certificates to reopen indoor dining have been posting the names of businesses that are reopening to criticise them, and praising the businesses which have chosen not to reopen."
mjr
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Ok, anti-vaxxers and fellow travellers. Look at the group members and most are members of outright anti-vax groups and pages too.
classic33
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Non essential intercounty travel only restarted this month, with non essential international travel restarting on the same day as pubs and other venues were allowed to reopen. And they've been better at keeping to travel restriction limits than we have.
I've not bothered looking at the facebook group, to see who's saying what. I followed the link you provided, with you saying it was anti vaxxers.
